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How is bumping off undock not an exploit?
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-01-28 14:26:26 UTC
Seems that there is no invultimer,
if a ship docked and undocked again within the session change.

Cant test if its still the case, but i assume so.
Funny how one can undock with the timer,
but cant dock up again until it ran out.
Runeme Shilter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-01-28 14:43:31 UTC
QSD wrote:

If you'll kill (or try to) something/someone, you can bump it. If you're bumping them just to annoy them, you can get petitioned and GM will send you a nasty notification.

Been like that for a very long time.


That is wrong. See www.minerbumping.com for countless tales of unsuccesful petitions to bumping miners out of range.

RS
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#43 - 2013-01-28 15:20:29 UTC
AFAIK bumping is a 100% valid game mechanic to get people off undocks & gates. How the situation was 5 years ago I coudn't say, but I think it would be safe to say that if it's possible, it's allowed, unless specifictly stated so by CCP because of some code oversight that leads to a certain exploit. Normal bumping is definately not such an exploit. If it truly was an exploit, and I was an EvE developer, I would remove all ship vs ship collision detection to make sure you can't bump anyone. The fact bumping has remained in the game for so long is a pretty clear indication it's not an exploit, ever.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#44 - 2013-01-28 15:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
RubyPorto wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Sounds like you did something to break your invulnerability.

Pretty sure I didn't, but maybe I did. I don't know if GMs can look into that, but I think I will put in a petition.


Did you do literally anything other than Ctrl-Space? If so, you voided your invulnerability.

Case in point, I sometimes have an issue with my mouse double-clicking inadvertantly when I am attempting to spin my view and look around. If this happens while you are invulnerable after undocking essentially you have double clicked in space and start flying in that direction... voiding your invulnerability prematurely.

Also remember that some stations are much easier to get bumped out of redock range very easily. There is one Minmatar station design that actually undocks you outside the redock range.

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-01-28 16:06:57 UTC
wallenbergaren wrote:
Afaik you don't have collision during the invuln period


Fact. Therefore there is no exploit to see here.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#46 - 2013-01-28 18:19:59 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
IDGI… Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again?


there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect.

As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer.


1. I thought you could, in fact, bump before the timer ends. Maybe this explains why I'm so terrible at bumping.
2. Being bumped prior to the invulnerability timer ending does not magically end the invulnerability timer early, so your logic is wrong and people will not "get blown up before grid loads."

In many years of playing Eve, this is the first time I've heard this called an exploit.

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Missiles 'R' Us
#47 - 2013-01-28 19:10:33 UTC
Just be glad that bumping doesn't turn one or both ships into a huge fireball, depending on the size of the ship that bumps or gets bumped. Twisted

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Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#48 - 2013-01-28 19:25:00 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Sounds like you did something to break your invulnerability.

Pretty sure I didn't, but maybe I did. I don't know if GMs can look into that, but I think I will put in a petition.


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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#49 - 2013-01-28 20:35:14 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
IDGI… Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again?


there's an invulnerability timer until your ship moves so that you can't get blown up before grid loads. Being bumped off station while you haven't loaded yet has the same effect.

As said before in the thread, however, you cannot be bumped while on the timer.


1. I thought you could, in fact, bump before the timer ends. Maybe this explains why I'm so terrible at bumping.
2. Being bumped prior to the invulnerability timer ending does not magically end the invulnerability timer early, so your logic is wrong and people will not "get blown up before grid loads."

In many years of playing Eve, this is the first time I've heard this called an exploit.


1. You cannot be bumped before the timer ends (either through waiting it out, or doing something to cancel it).
2. You cannot be bumped before the timer ends, therefore saying that bumping doesn't end the timer is nonsensical or tautological.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#50 - 2013-01-28 21:01:05 UTC
For clarification, if you try to bump someone before their undock timer ends you simply fly through them. They are, in effect, intangible. You see this effect all the time at crowded undock points like Jita 4-4... all manner of ships flying through each other at first. They only begin playing bumper cars when people start changing course, they activate a module, or their timer runs out.

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Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-01-28 22:06:05 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Also remember that some stations are much easier to get bumped out of redock range very easily. There is one Minmatar station design that actually undocks you outside the redock range.

This was a Minmatar station iirc.

Also, all the HTFU and other stupid posts, please folks, give it a rest. I am not asking for a mechanic to be changed, I am not looking for reimbursement.

I simply want clarification on how the game works.

Too many folks assume if someone questions a grey area, they are somehow crying or asking for protection. That's nonsense.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-01-29 01:53:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
IDGI… Why would (or should) it be an exploit, again? What?

He is asking and not saying that it is.

…and I'm asking why would it be, since he's a bit unclear on the reason for asking that question.


What does he need to do, Tippia? Tell you he has lost more than 1000 ships by being bumped off the apron? Would that make you happy?

Most of your posts are gratuitous. That one was stupid.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-01-29 01:55:34 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
The tool you want to use to defend yourself in this situation is an insta-undock bookmark. If you google it I'm sure you'll find a guide to making one.


There's no such thing . . . in Jita at least.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-01-29 01:58:49 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
The tool you want to use to defend yourself in this situation is an insta-undock bookmark. If you google it I'm sure you'll find a guide to making one.


There's no such thing . . . in Jita at least.


Other than the station that's lined up with the 4-4 undock of course

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-01-29 02:02:39 UTC
ChYph3r wrote:
Here's the deal you care bear empire dwelling turds, NO AREA IN EVE SPACE is SAFE, this includes empire so get used to it.

If you don't like it go back to playing with your WOW panda bears.


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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-01-29 02:06:40 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
For clarification, if you try to bump someone before their undock timer ends you simply fly through them. They are, in effect, intangible. You see this effect all the time at crowded undock points like Jita 4-4... all manner of ships flying through each other at first. They only begin playing bumper cars when people start changing course, they activate a module, or their timer runs out.


This is absolutely incorrect. Was the person who told you this wearing a tinfoil hat?

I go to Jita IV/4 a lot. If there are three other freighhters in fron ot me, or even one, I run into them in a lot less than 30 seconds.

I have a QE point there. It only works when there is nothing big in front of me.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-01-29 02:08:58 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
The tool you want to use to defend yourself in this situation is an insta-undock bookmark. If you google it I'm sure you'll find a guide to making one.


There's no such thing . . . in Jita at least.


Other than the station that's lined up with the 4-4 undock of course



Thank you for another totally pointless post. Please read on. Who knows? You might learn something about the game . . . for a change.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-01-29 02:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
You cant bump someone under invuln timer. If you can bump them, they dont have invuln and your argument is moot.

PS: yes, i know you've claimed this isnt correct above but it is.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#59 - 2013-01-29 02:26:10 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
For clarification, if you try to bump someone before their undock timer ends you simply fly through them. They are, in effect, intangible. You see this effect all the time at crowded undock points like Jita 4-4... all manner of ships flying through each other at first. They only begin playing bumper cars when people start changing course, they activate a module, or their timer runs out.


This is absolutely incorrect. Was the person who told you this wearing a tinfoil hat?

I go to Jita IV/4 a lot. If there are three other freighhters in fron ot me, or even one, I run into them in a lot less than 30 seconds.

I have a QE point there. It only works when there is nothing big in front of me.


Try this. Undock from Jita 4-4 with a stopwatch. Touch nothing. Time how long it takes for your ship to bump into something (as indicated by a sharp change in your velocity, not by when your graphics show you getting incorporeally swallowed by them).

Oh, and P4M1 works well as an Insta-Undock from 4-4 CNAP (just tested it), as does P4 (though not quite as neatly).

But, as I see that you're aggressively angry that other people understand the mechanics of the game we all play better than you do, so I'm sure you'll claim that you're a special snowflake for whom the game works differently.

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rareden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-01-29 04:07:09 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara, I hope this is a troll and your not being serious but if this isnt a troll then.
http://www.troll.me/images/jackie-chan-whut/what-da-hell-are-you-thinking.jpg
Ever herd of bookmarks? Is it above your cognitive ability to think of solutions yourself? must you complain to ccp to try and fix everything.
If you don't want to be bumped then find another game or lean more about this one and stop crying about it.