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How bad is the "Blue Donut"?
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Dave Stark
#41 - 2013-01-26 16:33:44 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Actually you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. ...

I don't care, Zagdul. It is like I said, the question is a general question. This nobody, and I mean myself, doesn't give a crap what you think or if Goons and TEST are at war or if they are not. You might want to get yourself of the soap box.


but if you're asking about the blue doughnut then you HAVE to care if they are at war, because if they are then there can't be a blue doughnut.

It's still blue, just with shooting.

It isn't as if test ratters are being killed by


pull the other one, i saw mynnna's tweet :P
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#42 - 2013-01-26 16:34:10 UTC
HVAC Repairman wrote:
yo treat zagdul with some respect no one loses a drake fleet in style like zagdul*

would x up again






* unless you're dbrb

DBRB is the THE boat to be on when you welp.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
forestwho
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-01-26 16:36:06 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
I see a lot of players whine ... complain over the "Blue Donut", but how bad is it?

Does it not get more players into low- and null-sec?


Look at it from a simple perspective:

Less pew pew + more blue's = Safer 0.0

Safer 0.0 + More Carebears = Boring Game

Boring Game + Less plexes bought for $$$ = Less people willing to spend $$$

Less people willing to spend $$$ + Less plexes bought for $$$ = Less $$$ for CCP

Less $$$ for CCP = Nexes clothes store + Less real game improvement

It is a downwards spiral, add a few stuff too it like the goon favouritism and you see why eve is dying.


Whitehound wrote:
Does it not get more players into low- and null-sec?


Yes, everyone and his dog can farm their plexes in safety of 0.0, more people to 0.0 yes, is it good NO, remember when you could get sanctums in -0.01 null sec systems & ccp nerfed that... guess why they did that... (retorical). CCP is going round in circles since 2007 and it funny to see that happening... :insertingccpdoensplaytheirgamecommentinhere:

It is all directly a butterfly affect of their bad gamedesighning on 0.0 stuff (supers & tech) of which ccp were warned many times by players that know the game better than some devs. Ether they are very sleepy or they want to create this current situation. The leader of the leading 0.0 alliance is an CCP Employee. Whats wrong with that? :CCPcontrollingyourgame:



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Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-01-26 17:26:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
HVAC Repairman wrote:
yo treat zagdul with some respect no one loses a drake fleet in style like zagdul*

would x up again


* unless you're dbrb

Hey now, that wasn't a welp, that was "inventory control." What better way to get rid of a soon to be expired doctrine, that to lose them hilariously.

Oh Drake, three years ago you were a comedy ship, you had an all to brief moment in the sun, and now CCP is going to return you to that state again. Sad


EDIT: I was told there would be donuts here, there are no donuts here! OP lied!!! Cry

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2013-01-26 17:29:48 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
HVAC Repairman wrote:
yo treat zagdul with some respect no one loses a drake fleet in style like zagdul*

would x up again


* unless you're dbrb

Hey now, that wasn't a welp, that was "inventory control." What better way to get rid of a soon to be expired doctrine, that to lose them hilariously.

Oh Drake, three years ago you were a comedy ship, you had an all to brief moment in the sun, and now CCP is going to return you to that state again. Sad

Folded Corrugated Cardboard with Heavy Missile Launcher IIs.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-01-26 17:42:06 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
HVAC Repairman wrote:
yo treat zagdul with some respect no one loses a drake fleet in style like zagdul*

would x up again


* unless you're dbrb

Hey now, that wasn't a welp, that was "inventory control." What better way to get rid of a soon to be expired doctrine, that to lose them hilariously.

Oh Drake, three years ago you were a comedy ship, you had an all to brief moment in the sun, and now CCP is going to return you to that state again. Sad

Folded Corrugated Cardboard with Heavy Missile Launcher IIs.

Don't say that, that is just mean.








Corrugated cardboard would have way more EHP.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#47 - 2013-01-26 17:44:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Actually you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. ...

I don't care, Zagdul. It is like I said, the question is a general question. This nobody, and I mean myself, doesn't give a crap what you think or if Goons and TEST are at war or if they are not. You might want to get yourself of the soap box.


but if you're asking about the blue doughnut then you HAVE to care if they are at war, because if they are then there can't be a blue doughnut.



They are not at war...they are having a tickle fight. The players involved stand to lose nothing, their ships are reimbursed. The alliances involved will only lose a bit of isk out of the "petty cash" wallet division (yes, 100 billion is petty cash to you and don't deny it) which will be refilled on a continuing basis by moon goo. The fighting will end when a little steam is blown off and the alliances determine that they have spent their discretionary isk.

BUT The Goons and TEST have fought for their space. Goons in particular have climbed from a total underdog position to the undisputed rulers of Null-sec in the time I have been playing. It' a sandbox and they can do as they wish.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Dave Stark
#48 - 2013-01-26 17:46:41 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Actually you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. ...

I don't care, Zagdul. It is like I said, the question is a general question. This nobody, and I mean myself, doesn't give a crap what you think or if Goons and TEST are at war or if they are not. You might want to get yourself of the soap box.


but if you're asking about the blue doughnut then you HAVE to care if they are at war, because if they are then there can't be a blue doughnut.



They are not at war...they are having a tickle fight. The players involved stand to lose nothing, their ships are reimbursed. The alliances involved will only lose a bit of isk out of the "petty cash" wallet division (yes, 100 billion is petty cash to you and don't deny it) which will be refilled on a continuing basis by moon goo. The fighting will end when a little steam is blown off and the alliances determine that they have spent their discretionary isk.

BUT The Goons and TEST have fought for their space. Goons in particular have climbed from a total underdog position to the undisputed rulers of Null-sec in the time I have been playing. It' a sandbox and they can do as they wish.


ok, bad choice of words.
they reset each other, they ain't blue, hence no blue doughnut as it's not an unbroken ring of blue.
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#49 - 2013-01-26 17:47:41 UTC
The fact is that war should be fun. This IS a GAME for those that aren't benefitting from RMT and those not benefitting from RMT should play it like a game and go shoot some spaceships. Grunts who gain nothing from their alliances other than a ticker and safe space (while paying taxes and shooting what their FC tells them to) should ask themselves why they are playing.

Only pressure from below will force the fat cats to risk their cash cows (ISK & $).

Those grunts that want to toe the party line and make their own lives more boring are entitled to do that. Don't, however, hate on those not directly involved who want to see a real war happen.

Don't hate on people who want to see PVP - I heard that that's what Eve's about.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2013-01-26 17:49:45 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:
The fact is that war should be fun. This IS a GAME for those that aren't benefitting from RMT and those not benefitting from RMT should play it like a game and go shoot some spaceships.

Yeah, we're shooting spaceships.

What people really want is for us to shoot structures.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Dave Stark
#51 - 2013-01-26 17:52:55 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:
stuff

i wondered how long it'd take before another unsubstantiated RMT post would pop up.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#52 - 2013-01-26 17:53:31 UTC
I wonder if Boat likes blue donuts. With sprinkles maybe?

He did say he was only fat because he wanted to be.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-01-26 17:54:06 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:


Don't hate on people who want to see PVP - I heard that that's what Eve's about.


Was he wearing a tinfoil hat? I've never seen that stated by anyone except 1%ers.
Dave Stark
#54 - 2013-01-26 17:54:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I wonder if Boat likes blue donuts. With sprinkles maybe?

He did say he was only fat because he wanted to be.


you should conduct an experiment. take him a box of assorted doughnuts and see which one he grabs first.
although if he's a little on the portly side he might just take the whole box... but science isn't without it's risks!
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#55 - 2013-01-26 17:57:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
stuff

i wondered how long it'd take before another unsubstantiated RMT post would pop up.


Ya, RMT is a complete myth.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-01-26 17:58:32 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
Should make for some interesting "side bars" at Fanfest, to say the least.

Blink

The people who take their pretend spaceship wars into real-life are the same people who don't show up to Fanfest.

If I went to Fanfest I'd be enjoying myself along with everybody else regardless of their alliance. Drop the politics when you step off the plane, I say. It's a game.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#57 - 2013-01-26 17:59:13 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:


Don't hate on people who want to see PVP - I heard that that's what Eve's about.


Was he wearing a tinfoil hat? I've never seen that stated by anyone except 1%ers.


Ok, so you're saying that eve is not about PVP, right?
Dave Stark
#58 - 2013-01-26 18:00:55 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
stuff

i wondered how long it'd take before another unsubstantiated RMT post would pop up.


Ya, RMT is a complete myth.


i didn't say it didn't exist. i just pointed out you posted about it without providing any proof.

why do people think i'm denying it's existence every time i point out people are throwing stones.

every "omg nullsec rmt" post is like me randomly calling a random forum member a murder. obviously i'd have no proof and you'd point that out... but guyz, murder happens so the random forum member has to be a murderer! see how absurd and pointless it is?
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-01-26 18:03:58 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
stuff

i wondered how long it'd take before another unsubstantiated RMT post would pop up.


Ya, RMT is a complete myth.


i didn't say it didn't exist. i just pointed out you posted about it without providing any proof.

why do people think i'm denying it's existence every time i point out people are throwing stones.

every "omg nullsec rmt" post is like me randomly calling a random forum member a murder. obviously i'd have no proof and you'd point that out... but guyz, murder happens so the random forum member has to be a murderer! see how absurd and pointless it is?


Well statistically if you get enough people together, some of them will participate in shady behavior.

So in that repsect, if there 20,000 null sec players, obviously some of them are statistically likley to be RMT'ing.

Whether or not they are supported by their leadership is another thing.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-01-26 18:04:05 UTC
Also, there's a whole bunch of red on the right side of the map. So I don't get what you're talking about with this blue ring.

http://i.imgur.com/wLt5Hp7.png

Enjoying the rain today? ;)