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Dessau
The Scope
#61 - 2013-01-25 19:44:51 UTC
Bad player and casual lowsec resident here. OP's suggestion of reversing a fundamental principle of EVE is not the way.


  • I've been both unfortunate (lag) and foolish (pilot error) enough to be podded in lowsec. I observed EVE's golden rule and took my lumps. It ain't hard.
  • Nothing wrong with the jumpclone mechanic. Keeping clones in various lowsec systems is a viable means for soloists to avoid station camps. It is only incovenient to swap clones if you keep unlike 'lesser' implants in some clones to mitigate your risk. The 'inconvenience' of slower training time is a price paid for reduced monetary risk.
  • No CONCORD, no bubbles; lowsec is its own reward.


The way to get more pilots into lowsec is for players to relax their sphincters about space pixels and enjoy the thrill of engagement against other players. As someone who can only play a few hours per week, lowsec provides me with quality fights, potentially winnable and with no bullshit. I had a great time during each loss on my ****** January killboard.
celebro
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#62 - 2013-01-25 19:53:53 UTC
Dessau wrote:

The way to get more pilots into lowsec is for players to relax their sphincters.



People rarely change , games do.



I'm not going to clone jump to poke my head in low sec for 5 mins. Clone jumping is broken cool down period of 24hrs is way too much.
Dave Stark
#63 - 2013-01-25 19:58:05 UTC
celebro wrote:


The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.

EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump.


if it's so easy to get away, the difference to the podders is that they're deprived of a nice killmail when you **** up. you also don't get punished for ******* up, and you should be.

make an alt and take a rookie frig if you "just want to see what's there"

if the risk isn't worth it, jump to a different clone or don't go. stop asking the game to be made easier for you because you're risk averse or scared.
Diamond Bull
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-01-25 19:59:53 UTC
Ildryn wrote:
Diamond Bull wrote:
Dear CCP,


The people in Low actually don't want more people in Low unless those people are hindered by the game in ways that makes them easily exploitable. The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards. They do not actually want more people to fight. They want more people to kill. In order to improve the population of Low you must get rid of these people who are interested in only easy high profit/low risk kills. I have no idea how to do this. Maybe by increasing the risk that Pirates must experience in order to set a trap on a gate or a station?

Nah, that wouldn't work.

Moral of the story? Low is only broken because of the asshats that have populated it.


Toodles!




You are a ******* moron.
I will bet my wallet that without killboards.
People still get killed and podded.

Post with your main coward.


Did I ever claim to PvP? I skillfully avoid it. I've never claimed otherwise. However, this post is an excellent illustration of the kind of people that cause people like me to say low isn't worth the trouble what-so-ever.

As I said in my other post. Low is fun until l33t PvP idiots decide to stalk you because they have nothing better to do. Then its tedious and that isn't CCP's fault. The occasional encounter is fine. The occasional cat and mouse is fun. Its the attitude and the play style that comes with it. The station games, the gate camps, the gtfoing every time there is an iota of resistance and the local chat full of lines and lines of the kind of talk this guy displays. Nothing in low is worth that kind of annoyance.

Low is broken because of the people that congregate there. Not because of anything CCP did.
Dessau
The Scope
#65 - 2013-01-25 20:06:40 UTC
celebro wrote:
People rarely change , games do.

I agree, which is why I've always been of the mind that you can never entice a 'true carebear' to leave highsec. It's who they are.

celebro wrote:
I'm not going to clone jump to poke my head in low sec for 5 mins. Clone jumping is broken cool down period of 24hrs is way too much.

The cooldown ensures pilots fly ships through space, which is what the game is about for the most part. But you already knew that. ;)
Ambrocio Hanaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2013-01-25 20:15:16 UTC
With my limited experience at the moment I say the best way for anyone to go into Low-Sec and be successful is to have a group and do it. Or, just run the gate-camp and get away from the high-low entry system. It seems the further you get from that gate, the less likely you are to run into anyone.

Low-sec seems to be controlled by gate campers and that is it. No industry flowing, no real large groups except in a few areas. High sec people are just plain scared stiff of even thinking about going into low-sec and refuse to even try. I've been out in low/null since week 2 of playing and finding it to be a pretty simple process of just watching your surroundings moreso then in High. Low is pretty much 0.5 space, except instead of being cautious about everyone around, you smply do not want anyone around you lol.

Which is very odd to me. Low-Sec is much more profitable then High - Sec and I am just astounded that just because you CAN destroy someone, that is all anyone ever does. Astounds me. Just imagine low - sec with industrial ships, miners, explorers, etc. being within the systems because you don't have every single inhabitant of low-sec wanting to do nothing more then kill anyone around. It would be high-sec on steroids with more defensive Corps providing fleet protection. Would be awesome.

But nope, low-sec is nothing but the entry system being gate camped, and it being a pure dead-zone the rest of the way through.

How to beat that and go into low-sec? Get 10 guys together, destroy the gate camp, go into high - sec local and let people know the way into low is open and free of gate campers, let them through and let them play the f'in game!
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-01-25 20:28:29 UTC
Ambrocio Hanaya wrote:
How to beat that and go into low-sec? Get 10 guys together, destroy the gate camp, go into high - sec local and let people know the way into low is open and free of gate campers,

Then, if they're dumb enough to believe you, kill them with the gate camp you just set up.

CCP has no sense of humour.
flakeys
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-01-25 20:31:04 UTC
celebro wrote:


The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.

EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump.



SIGh , BUT WHY DO YOU NEED +5 IMPLANTS ALL THE TIME ?

Appearantly getting through that thick skull takes caps. Keep one clone with +2 or +3 , does not cost much and you can do in lowsec as you please.What difference does it make timewise if you are gonna be playing eve for a long time?And if you are not gonna play for a long time then it would make even less a role if you had them plugged in or not.

What is so hard about understanding the risk is what YOU make of it.You HAVE the option to create more clones , yoou HAVE the option to keep 1 clone without implants or with cheap implants as such the PROBLEM is being made by you not by low-sec or it's inhabitants.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#69 - 2013-01-25 20:37:25 UTC
It's so easy to not get podded in low sec that I regularly run through there all the time in +5s. If you get podded in lowsec, you completely deserve it.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-01-25 22:34:05 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Or just learn how to save your friggen pod in low sec....


^^ if you know what you are doing you should never lose a pod in lowsec (barring disconnects or desyncs :ccp:)

you dont even have to worry about bubbles haha.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#71 - 2013-01-25 23:41:51 UTC
I always suspected that those expressing the sentiment that we need more people in lowsec simply have trouble with the social aspect of EvE, somehow not ending up in the right player corporation and / or not being able to deter or annihilate opposing forces on their turf. What I don't get is people's connection with lowsec and pod death... going suspect in hisec may very well end in the same result. I do agree some implants are so expensive losing them is a pita, which might keep some people out of pvp in general.

On the other hand, it keeps other people in. As I understand it the implants business can be quite lucrative.Twisted
Chortle Chortle
#72 - 2013-01-26 00:48:10 UTC
Op is bad and should feel bad. I means seriously, at that point why not just automatically replace the entire ship in station when you die?

Actually, not sure if op is trolling at this point. If so 8/10.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-01-26 00:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Dave Stark wrote:
celebro wrote:


The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.

EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump.


if it's so easy to get away, the difference to the podders is that they're deprived of a nice killmail when you **** up. you also don't get punished for ******* up, and you should be.

make an alt and take a rookie frig if you "just want to see what's there"

if the risk isn't worth it, jump to a different clone or don't go. stop asking the game to be made easier for you because you're risk averse or scared.



Why not just make an alt, don't train it at all, and send it to Low Sec every few minutes, where it gets killed?

Well, that would make you happy, but I really don't care about your happiness.

EDIT: Sorry. That may sound un-friendly, but you certainly don't care about any of the parts of the game that I enjoy. And I pay the same fees that you do.
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#74 - 2013-01-26 00:59:03 UTC
Diamond Bull wrote:


Did I ever claim to PvP? I skillfully avoid it. I've never claimed otherwise. However, this post is an excellent illustration of the kind of people that cause people like me to say low isn't worth the trouble what-so-ever.

As I said in my other post. Low is fun until l33t PvP idiots decide to stalk you because they have nothing better to do. Then its tedious and that isn't CCP's fault. The occasional encounter is fine. The occasional cat and mouse is fun. Its the attitude and the play style that comes with it. The station games, the gate camps, the gtfoing every time there is an iota of resistance and the local chat full of lines and lines of the kind of talk this guy displays. Nothing in low is worth that kind of annoyance.

Low is broken because of the people that congregate there. Not because of anything CCP did.


You must be really slow.

"The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards."

This is what i was addressing.
It is wrong. If you are too cowardly to post with your main character why do you post at all?
You are worse than pirates that camp gates. You are a ***** forum warrior.
You probably haven't even undocked with Diamond Bull and likely don't plan to.
You are what needs to go. You and all the alt warriors that claim they know it all.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2013-01-26 01:12:27 UTC
Ildryn wrote:
Diamond Bull wrote:


Did I ever claim to PvP? I skillfully avoid it. I've never claimed otherwise. However, this post is an excellent illustration of the kind of people that cause people like me to say low isn't worth the trouble what-so-ever.

As I said in my other post. Low is fun until l33t PvP idiots decide to stalk you because they have nothing better to do. Then its tedious and that isn't CCP's fault. The occasional encounter is fine. The occasional cat and mouse is fun. Its the attitude and the play style that comes with it. The station games, the gate camps, the gtfoing every time there is an iota of resistance and the local chat full of lines and lines of the kind of talk this guy displays. Nothing in low is worth that kind of annoyance.

Low is broken because of the people that congregate there. Not because of anything CCP did.


You must be really slow.

"The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards."

This is what i was addressing.
It is wrong. If you are too cowardly to post with your main character why do you post at all?
You are worse than pirates that camp gates. You are a ***** forum warrior.
You probably haven't even undocked with Diamond Bull and likely don't plan to.
You are what needs to go. You and all the alt warriors that claim they know it all.

Actually I agree with Diamond Bull (Great name by the way)
I ran a POS out of Rarvarath (lowsec near Amarr) and another near Bei.
At all points the place kept getting camped and whenever I came back in a comabt ship, the campers scattered.
Well except for the one group who decided to do a run while I was helping setup a POS, that one was fun as while I lost it was still a good event.
In fact the ones I made the KRs availible for on Retribution sent me pure strong hate mail for their losses, insulted my manliness and then some.
All because they lost their hisec invuln.
So yeah first hand experience with KB padders.
Or do you forget the fine folks in Rancer?
Seriously a great place to play EVE roulette.
With a semiautomatic
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2013-01-26 01:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
i don't live in lowsec but I imagine the current residents don't want players like the OP in lowsec
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#77 - 2013-01-26 02:02:52 UTC
While the knee-jerk answer to OP is jump clones...

Actually, I take it back: Knee-jerk answer to everything in EvE forum is to troll like someone who got rejected from the Jersey Shore cast for being too much of a douchebag.

Wait, where was I? Oh yes jump clones... but the mechanics of jump clones needs a review, IMHO. For the newer player, the standing requirements are pretty darn high, and the 24 hour turnover is too long. I think CCP should reduce the standing requirements for JC use to be much lower - maybe even down to zero for people who've signed up for FW militia - and the turnover should be reduced to just 2 to 4 hours at most.

That would get a lot more people involved in low-sec, null-sec and all the PvP stuff you love so much.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Dave Stark
#78 - 2013-01-26 09:04:22 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
celebro wrote:


The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.

EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump.


if it's so easy to get away, the difference to the podders is that they're deprived of a nice killmail when you **** up. you also don't get punished for ******* up, and you should be.

make an alt and take a rookie frig if you "just want to see what's there"

if the risk isn't worth it, jump to a different clone or don't go. stop asking the game to be made easier for you because you're risk averse or scared.



Why not just make an alt, don't train it at all, and send it to Low Sec every few minutes, where it gets killed?

Well, that would make you happy, but I really don't care about your happiness.

EDIT: Sorry. That may sound un-friendly, but you certainly don't care about any of the parts of the game that I enjoy. And I pay the same fees that you do.


actually, it wouldn't make me happy, it'd make you happy. because all you want to do is "see what's there".

i provided you a solution to your problem, you rejected it for.... no reason what so ever.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#79 - 2013-01-26 12:26:36 UTC
Don't want implant loss? Then either learn how to avoid it, or don't fly with what you cannot afford to lose.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#80 - 2013-01-26 12:48:12 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Don't want implant loss? Then either learn how to avoid it, or don't fly with what you cannot afford to lose.

I'm leaning more and more towards removing JCs as a means of storing implant sets — one set goes for all clones — and instead give implants a limited ability to be unplugged, probably based on some completely different timer that can then be manipulated and balanced separately from the JC timer… and maybe a nice install cost as well.