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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#261 - 2013-01-25 17:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Flakey Foont wrote:
First, we don''t know for sure that this is true. Greed is always needed for a grift to work.

Second, constantly changing systems to accommodate the lowest common denominator is never a good idea for longevity or quality.

Third, OP seems to start an inordinate amount of threads.....




1. Greed is a good hook, but far from the only one.

2. The last time PLEX was changed was 6 or 7 years ago I think. The idea that changing it now constitutes "constant never ending intrusion and upheaval to the game system" is a bit far fetched. Likewise the idea that being able to safely purchase in game currency will turn Eve into a game that is only appealing to the LCD is just untrue.

3. This is off topic. Perhaps you should start another thread if you want to discuss posting quota's.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#262 - 2013-01-25 17:23:45 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

I'm not arguing that the trade system needs an overhaul or that it is too complex. Only that more people will be in the Eve universe with fat ships and fat wallets that they cannot fly or protect if we allow them to step in and look around.


You say people take advantage of the complexity to scam plexes off people. Yet when challanged you then say the very system that was used to supposedly steal the plex in question isn't complicated.

Your argument has crumbled. PLEX is fine as is and there are very safe ways of selling them already in game that are very simple to use.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#263 - 2013-01-25 17:27:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

I'm not arguing that the trade system needs an overhaul or that it is too complex. Only that more people will be in the Eve universe with fat ships and fat wallets that they cannot fly or protect if we allow them to step in and look around.


You say people take advantage of the complexity to scam plexes off people. Yet when challanged you then say the very system that was used to supposedly steal the plex in question isn't complicated.

Your argument has crumbled. PLEX is fine as is and there are very safe ways of selling them already in game that are very simple to use.

It is perfectly complex, the trade system should not be changed. However perfect complexity does not equate to an inability to scam others. My argument is that injection of outside money into Eve would be more common if people did not have to redeem that money in game with PLEX. Just put the ISK in their wallet, problem solved.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#264 - 2013-01-25 17:30:37 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

It is perfectly complex, the trade system should not be changed. However perfect complexity does not equate to an inability to scam others. My argument is that injection of outside money into Eve would be more common if people did not have to redeem that money in game with PLEX. Just put the ISK in their wallet, problem solved.


You just invented a horrible isk injection system that will cause inflation that will do great harm to the game.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#265 - 2013-01-25 17:33:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

It is perfectly complex, the trade system should not be changed. However perfect complexity does not equate to an inability to scam others. My argument is that injection of outside money into Eve would be more common if people did not have to redeem that money in game with PLEX. Just put the ISK in their wallet, problem solved.


You just invented a horrible isk injection system that will cause inflation that will do great harm to the game.


It would not be a faucet, rather the ISK available to be purchased would come from people in game who pay for their accounts with ISK. Closed loop, no problem with inflation.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#266 - 2013-01-25 17:35:04 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

I'm not arguing that the trade system needs an overhaul or that it is too complex. Only that more people will be in the Eve universe with fat ships and fat wallets that they cannot fly or protect if we allow them to step in and look around.


You say people take advantage of the complexity to scam plexes off people. Yet when challanged you then say the very system that was used to supposedly steal the plex in question isn't complicated.

Your argument has crumbled. PLEX is fine as is and there are very safe ways of selling them already in game that are very simple to use.

It is perfectly complex, the trade system should not be changed. However perfect complexity does not equate to an inability to scam others. My argument is that injection of outside money into Eve would be more common if people did not have to redeem that money in game with PLEX. Just put the ISK in their wallet, problem solved.


Congradulations, you've ruined everything that was genius about the PLEX system and wrecked the economy.

You should not post about things you don't understand.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#267 - 2013-01-25 17:37:51 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


It would not be a faucet, rather the ISK available to be purchased would come from people in game who pay for their accounts with ISK. Closed loop, no problem with inflation.


Havent seen backpedeling like that since the titanic's first officer orded full reverse.

So you want what we have now just with less options that make the system great.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#268 - 2013-01-25 17:52:00 UTC
I don't mind being wrong about my solutions Baltec, its just fun to brainstorm a bit.

The only argument that we have here is whether or not PLEX is a problem that needs fixing. Some people think yes and some people think it is fine as is. So from the current player base it is something that should be at least looked at, if not changed.

The real numbers that need to be looked at in order to make a final decision are not available to us. The guys at CCP are profesional game designers, they know their business. I have faith that they will maintain the direction and greatness of Eve and create an atmosphere that will continue to bring new players.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#269 - 2013-01-25 18:03:03 UTC
prohibiting plex scams isn't going to bring in more new players period, stop talking

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#270 - 2013-01-25 18:07:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
prohibiting plex scams isn't going to bring in more new players period, stop talking

It will cause more to stay.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#271 - 2013-01-25 18:10:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
double post
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#272 - 2013-01-25 18:16:34 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Andski wrote:
prohibiting plex scams isn't going to bring in more new players period, stop talking

It will cause more to stay.


No it wont.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#273 - 2013-01-25 18:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lovely Dumplings
I'm not seeing a connection between PLEX and new people, here. You tend to outstrip easy ISK generation at what, around BC/BS range? Even at "I'm a dumb noob flying a ship I can't fit", that's still a couple weeks in.

If you haven't figured out EVE is a harsh world full of scams by then...

The whole "newbie" argument is just a red herring. True newbs don't often buy PLEX. When they do, they buy, redeem, and directly sell to a buy order.

I don't see a reason for screwing with a system that works. Lord knows, EVE has very few of those as is.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#274 - 2013-01-25 18:59:58 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
I don't see a reason for screwing with a system that works. Lord knows, EVE has very few of those as is.


Because kids or something apparently

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#275 - 2013-01-25 19:01:18 UTC
Mike Mulder wrote:
CCP has a vested interest in not letting people scam/grief noobs.


You can freely scam them, but it's looked down upon by the player base & very few people do it as a result.

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Google Voices
Doomheim
#276 - 2013-01-25 19:01:47 UTC
The Plex system is not the problem. It's the lack of a real tutorial on the game.

New players come in, get basic training from the tutorial system and go on their way. Unless they know someone in game, they have very little idea how the game really works.
CCP needs to put actual useful information in the tutorial, things that pod pilots really need to know about the universe they live in.

How about a scamming tutorial? A spy tutorial? An alt tutorial.....Cool


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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#277 - 2013-01-25 19:02:52 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Maybe it was me.

And that is the point, If the kid came to help bitching about a lost ship no one would care. Yet this instance of a PLEX scam produces 13 pages and 2000 hits.

PLEX is different and it needs to be treated differently.


He isn't here complaining about it though. It's you using a made up story to push for changes to PLEX, probably because you got scammed.

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Google Voices
Doomheim
#278 - 2013-01-25 19:03:10 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Mike Mulder wrote:
CCP has a vested interest in not letting people scam/grief noobs.


You can freely scam them, but it's looked down upon by the player base & very few people do it as a result.



I'm looking hard for the sarcasm tag...but I'm not seein it....Shocked

"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that “one day Veritas will come up to me and say ‘hey I fixed off-grid boosting’”, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle."
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#279 - 2013-01-25 19:05:18 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
allow people to buy items in game with no risk


This should tell you why your ideas are awful.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#280 - 2013-01-25 19:30:00 UTC
Google Voices wrote:
The Plex system is not the problem. It's the lack of a real tutorial on the game.

New players come in, get basic training from the tutorial system and go on their way. Unless they know someone in game, they have very little idea how the game really works.
CCP needs to put actual useful information in the tutorial, things that pod pilots really need to know about the universe they live in.

How about a scamming tutorial? A spy tutorial? An alt tutorial.....Cool




Thats a great point. I tried to play through the tutorial the other day and just couldn't do it. There is prolly a lot of way s that they could be made better.