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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#181 - 2013-01-25 05:42:02 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Thank you sir, I fixed it ;) Yes, of course the starter systems not just the station, and Arnola (Sisters of EVE arc system) if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, CCP, if anyone is listening, I'm happy with the current PLEX system and scammability of noobs. ;) Good work.


I should probably also mention that never leaving the starter system doesn't give you immunity from such actions either.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#182 - 2013-01-25 05:52:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Pig
Should we go regulate in Duripant right now? We should probably make sure there aren't any month-olds in there thinking EVE won't find them.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Garou Carew
Doomheim
#183 - 2013-01-25 05:53:58 UTC
Interestingly enough there was a case in Japan several years ago that set a precedent for theft of virtual property under International Law, the malefactor was convicted in absentia and the gaming company was required to replace the virtual goods taken. Not all jurisdictions recognise gaming company agreements as legal contracts and international warrants can be issued where local/state legislation overrides them.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#184 - 2013-01-25 05:56:22 UTC
Garou Carew wrote:
Interestingly enough there was a case in Japan several years ago that set a precedent for theft of virtual property under International Law, the malefactor was convicted in absentia and the gaming company was required to replace the virtual goods taken. Not all jurisdictions recognise gaming company agreements as legal contracts and international warrants can be issued where local/state legislation overrides them.


Source?

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#185 - 2013-01-25 05:58:42 UTC
Ya, links or that didn't happen.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#186 - 2013-01-25 06:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
I am pretty sure acts like this contribute to Eve's over all low new player retention. Now, frankly, what happened in this instance is appalling, but I understand and like the fact that Eve is a harsh and foreboding environment. Although I have never done any scamming myself (unless you count asking for a 1 vs 1 and then ganking someone. I justified that to myself because I would have ruined them 1 vs 1 anyway, so it didn't make his chances any worse. = P ), and so if scamming disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't cause me any hassle at all, I understand and appreciate people wanting to keep scamming in the game. That said, something needs to be done to stop assholes scaring off new players, because it's not good for Eve, and that's not good for us.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
Garou Carew wrote:
Interestingly enough there was a case in Japan several years ago that set a precedent for theft of virtual property under International Law, the malefactor was convicted in absentia and the gaming company was required to replace the virtual goods taken. Not all jurisdictions recognise gaming company agreements as legal contracts and international warrants can be issued where local/state legislation overrides them.


Source?


I do recall reading an article about this happening in WoW. Another person thinking they heard about it doesn't add a great deal of credibility, I know. But there you go.

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Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#187 - 2013-01-25 06:11:23 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Jita iswhereIsit wrote:
Its part of the game, as long as he didn't use the recruitment channel or the help channel directly then whoever scammed him did nothing wrong.

Against the rules and Wrong are 2 different things. It was wrong. Scamming a few million isk is one thing, but that was 20$, and now the kid feels like **** about the game. No reason for that.


And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise.
New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#188 - 2013-01-25 06:14:41 UTC
Any ideas????
Oh dang, there's not any ideas that aren't complete arbitrary nonsense that only lend themselves to exploit (see Malcanis' law), and ruin EVE's street-cred. You'll never improve player retention much without gutting EVE. Most MMO players can't hang in this game.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#189 - 2013-01-25 06:17:50 UTC
Daisai wrote:
And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise.
New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff.


Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running.

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FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#190 - 2013-01-25 06:22:01 UTC
The guy who stole this PLEX is a champ. So many soft whiners posting in this thread though. Scamming is a big part of the game. If people can't do a small amount of research before playing and realise this then I really have no sympathy for them.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#191 - 2013-01-25 06:26:44 UTC
FluffyDice wrote:
The guy who stole this PLEX is a champ.


If it actually happened. This thread is another one of those "I heard about this from another person" threads.

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Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#192 - 2013-01-25 06:28:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Daisai wrote:
And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise.
New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff.


Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running.



Eve online is a game....

Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts.
A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#193 - 2013-01-25 06:31:44 UTC
Quote:
No, the problem is with PLEX. It is a problem because it puts too much value into a package that is too vulnerable.


It's a feature, not a problem.

If you bought PLEX from CCP, it's real money for CCP and features that you can sell to someone else for ISK. You are in the middle of the PLEX chain, and earning ISKs.

Whole value of PLEX can be derived from the features it adds to your account when you use it, ISK value is dependant on the state of game economy, this is like a self regulating system.

CCP don't have to regulate the price for it. Players do it. It is best that way.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#194 - 2013-01-25 06:32:02 UTC
Daisai wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Daisai wrote:
And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise.
New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff.


Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running.



Eve online is a game....


Really? I never would've guessed...

Daisai wrote:
Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts.
A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's.


The 400k number you just handed out has nothing to do with China's subs, & that number is wrong anyway. It's a low number because it's a niche game. The masses like cookie-cutter MMO's, which EVE is not.

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Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#195 - 2013-01-25 06:32:52 UTC
I think the guys sympathysing with this 'kid' are doing it just because... well... It's a kid!

The first time you logon to eve there is this big wall of text you need to accept, if you would read it, you would see that kids are not allowed to play EVE.

So naturally we need to assume the 'kid' in this wonderous tale is at least 18Years old.
Now... an 18 year old dude, who got a plex from his mom got scammed. I personally find that pretty funny :)

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#196 - 2013-01-25 06:37:56 UTC
Daisai wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Daisai wrote:
And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise.
New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff.


Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running.



Eve online is a game....

Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts.
A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's.

Yet it still has more subs than all the ndw mmos to ome out over the last five years.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#197 - 2013-01-25 06:39:38 UTC
Wow!

The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap!

Wonder why?

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#198 - 2013-01-25 06:47:22 UTC
'Cause the omniscient CIA word-recognition software detected the words "scamming new players"?

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#199 - 2013-01-25 06:54:27 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Wow!

The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap!

Wonder why?

To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#200 - 2013-01-25 06:59:28 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Daisai wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Daisai wrote:
And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise.
New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff.


Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running.



Eve online is a game....


Really? I never would've guessed...

Daisai wrote:
Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts.
A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's.


The 400k number you just handed out has nothing to do with China's subs, & that number is wrong anyway. It's a low number because it's a niche game. The masses like cookie-cutter MMO's, which EVE is not.



http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/12/eve-online-breaks-the-450k-subscriber-mark/

"EVE developer CCP partnered up with TianCity to bring the sandbox back into the Chinese market. According to a CCP press release, the game's business in China has surpassed expectations."

Anyway, using the excuse that eve online is a niche game is false.
Alot of succesfull games have sandbox elements, im not saying the low subscription numbers are only because of the unfriendly attitude towards new players.
However its a big factor as to why new players would easily stop playing the game ones they had a bad experience at the start.