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CSM8 - A Vote for a Larger Universe (Withdrawn Candidate)

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Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#61 - 2013-02-16 11:20:25 UTC
Hienz Doofenshmirtz wrote:
Sorry Hunter, I can not support you.

Having spoken to a number of devs, they have a vision, and while the CSM is a get tool, I don't think at this time we should be trying to shove content and ideas down their throat using the CSM.

I will continue to support Twostep


I support the fact that you have your own preferred candidate. And Twostep has done great things for the community as the Wormhole Candidate and more.

In response to your belief that this isn't the time to shove content down their 'throat' proverbially, I believe that the content is already coming. With the integration of DUST into the community and more, the path is already set, and short of a major setback, DUST 514's integration will continue to become more and more prominent through the course of CSM8.

Here is where I want to be. Tempering the integration, helping shape the content, not shoving down their throat, but helping with content that is already in the works.

I appreciate your honesty, however, and should you vote for the next Twostep endorsed candidate, it would draw ill of me to hold it against you, as I am sure he would only endorse someone fully capable fo filling his shoes.

I hope, however, that I can change you mind on my position, and see that I am simply trying to implement 'reasons' for DUST 514 to be integrated into the community for EVE, and vice versa.
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#62 - 2013-02-16 12:21:29 UTC
Hunter Blake wrote:

First off, nothing you want for EVE Online is excluded for any support of DUST 514. Your modular PoS System, Usage based Sovereignty System, and better Corporation management System can still easily happen. DUST 514 was built with the 'profits' of CCPs EVE Online and not with the resources that CCPs EVE Online Developers currently use to improve your experience (and mine) in EVE Online.

I find this somewhat disingenuous as the fact is that profits from Eve buy the resources to fund Dust, those same funds could have been used to increase Eve development instead.

You will not necessarily have the convenience of sitting on the fence and may well have to choose between Eve and DUST. So if you had to choose between say improving POS's or something for DUST which would you choose?

Hunter Blake wrote:

The choice to exclude any part of any game, is a choice, not something that will hurt you in the end. You can still reap benefits from the interaction, even if you never intend to play it.

Again disingenuous, as I and many other Eve player are excluded from DUST unless we waste a lot of money on an outdated console, so it's not necessarily a choice. What are your views on porting DUST across to PC?
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#63 - 2013-02-16 15:11:33 UTC
Dyvim Slorm wrote:
Hunter Blake wrote:

First off, nothing you want for EVE Online is excluded for any support of DUST 514. Your modular PoS System, Usage based Sovereignty System, and better Corporation management System can still easily happen. DUST 514 was built with the 'profits' of CCPs EVE Online and not with the resources that CCPs EVE Online Developers currently use to improve your experience (and mine) in EVE Online.

I find this somewhat disingenuous as the fact is that profits from Eve buy the resources to fund Dust, those same funds could have been used to increase Eve development instead.

You will not necessarily have the convenience of sitting on the fence and may well have to choose between Eve and DUST. So if you had to choose between say improving POS's or something for DUST which would you choose?

Hunter Blake wrote:

The choice to exclude any part of any game, is a choice, not something that will hurt you in the end. You can still reap benefits from the interaction, even if you never intend to play it.

Again disingenuous, as I and many other Eve player are excluded from DUST unless we waste a lot of money on an outdated console, so it's not necessarily a choice. What are your views on porting DUST across to PC?


I would push for both, but if it did come to an unlikely crucnch, I would support a DUST / EVE Integration feature before improving PoSes. To say otherwise would devalue my own campaign and be an outright lie. The fact is, I am running for DUST, to represent DUST. I have enough experience in EVE Online to have valuable input into most other areas, but my main focus will be the EVE / DUST Link.

As to the funding. Yes, those 'profits' could have gone to improving EVE Online's existing structures, and to great benefit to the existing community. But would such an initiative, no matter how revolutionary, brought over a million new players to the New Eden Universe? With current Aurum purchases, even during Open beta, I clearly don't have an exact figure as CCP is the one checking incoming revenue, but DUST's AURUM packages are being bought fairly frequently, and that revenue stream would likely be able to keep DUST 514 in development with no, or minimal support from EVE Online bar their initial investments.

With the issue of choice. That doesn't refer to actually playing the game in the end. The quote, taken out of context, may seem to do such a thing, but it refers more to the choice of EVE Players, Corporations, and Alliances able to choose whether or not to utilise DUST mercs or not.

On porting the game across to the PC, I am actually against this process. Not to exclude any particular crowd (by intent anyway), but to prevent further segregation of the community. Not to mention that Sony and CCP have an exclusivity deal that I would hope both companies are going to show good faith in and honor.

A PC port would also cannibalize moreso the EVE Community, and possibly create a segregation within the DUST community itself. If you are capable of producing much highre levels of graphics on the PC version comparative to the DUST 514 version, what incentive is there for anyone to pick up the console version?

The Console -> Server Link is a masterful piece of work, and CCP has worked so hard to achieve it. I believe it would drag EVE players away from EVE, and force most of them to chose. Since alot of people continue to play eve due to its' ability to run on far outdated hardware.
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#64 - 2013-02-16 16:29:50 UTC
I am personally indifferent to DUST and IMV CCP may have been better served pushing WoD development if they wanted a second string to their bow.

That of course is academic, but I would like to thank you for being honest with your answers.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#65 - 2013-02-17 05:02:26 UTC
It appears Dust 514 players don't want Hunter Blake as their CSM.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53193&find=unread is not going well.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#66 - 2013-02-17 10:17:21 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
It appears Dust 514 players don't want Hunter Blake as their CSM.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53193&find=unread is not going well.



During my interview, I stated that there was a massive division in DUST 514 about representation.

Many believe that a CSM Rep would be good.

Many Believe that we dont need a representative.

Many believe that an independant CPM would be better.

Most of what you see in that thread are a score or so of people who do not support either myself personally, or a CSM candidate in general, when comparative to a community of over a million is barely a hiccup in the grand scheme of things.

Whether on the forums or not, I have some supporters. Exact numbers I cannot give you, nor am I at liberty to say who has voice their support for me in game or I may compromise their personal choice by opening them up to the slander I get. but not everyone in DUST is as eager to sling mud at me as the people in that thread, and one that was proclaimed 'Why you SHOULD NOT vote for The Black Jackal for CSM8'. A blatant personal attack if ever there was one.

I am, and have, issued a challenge for a debate, or them to do more than throw mud, but actually run against my platform, run for their own agenda, and reason with fact. I will defend my positions, for I have conviction on my platform, but their response is an unbacked 'this would be bad, you're an idiot' approach has no factual backing bar their own so-called popularity.

I expected these attacks, was fairly well prepared for the negativity, and I believe (asie from a few slips) I am standing by my convictions as much as possible.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#67 - 2013-02-17 22:36:24 UTC
Well I am just saying, they don't seem happy with you at all. They're tried of cookie cutter candidates and I hate to admit I hate cookie cutter candidates as well. I normally only vote for folks I ran into the past and had the pleasure (or sometimes displeasure) of working for.

I mean what you got in your bag is a bunch of fairy dust. Its not tangible at all, other CSM people that been in the council in the past had at least marbles. Just because you're an alliance leader, doesn't automatically qualify you for CSM leadership. If anything that's a detractor because most voters would believe you're in the council to try to benefit your alliance.

Either way according to post counts, you're not in bed with the dust 514 community enough. You should post in many more threads and with ideas that are much fresher than the parrots repetitive rabbeling that they been either complaining, clarifying, or confirming the last few months.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#68 - 2013-02-18 06:41:21 UTC
Oh dear some guy claiming to be your corp's PR is trashing your image in your dust 514 thread, Blake you should probably deal with it.

The whole fiasco starts with this post mostly https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=560104#post560104 not sure where its going to end but from what I read so far... its pretty bad.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#69 - 2013-02-22 22:36:28 UTC
My greatest reservation about supporting you is your dangerous lack of knowledge about certain EVE realities. In your Crossing Zebra's interview, you indicated a belief that titans are not usable in lowsec and that only large 0.0 groups have them. In fact, titan use in lowsec for bridging is extremely common, many lowsec alliances have one, and many many more are blue to someone that has one.

How will you approach filling the gaps in your EVE knowledge to positively contribute to development discussions with distant-at-best connections to DUST?

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#70 - 2013-02-22 23:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hunter Blake
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
My greatest reservation about supporting you is your dangerous lack of knowledge about certain EVE realities. In your Crossing Zebra's interview, you indicated a belief that titans are not usable in lowsec and that only large 0.0 groups have them. In fact, titan use in lowsec for bridging is extremely common, many lowsec alliances have one, and many many more are blue to someone that has one.

How will you approach filling the gaps in your EVE knowledge to positively contribute to development discussions with distant-at-best connections to DUST?


I realise that lowsec alliance do have access to Titans, I was trying to reference their ability to only be built in Nullsec. If someone doesn't have access to Nullsec (whether via alliance, or standings) you cannot duplicate said Titan bridge.

That being said, I'm well aware there are some pieces of knowledge that are incomplete, and as I endeavour to fill those gaps by communicating with people in game about their practices, researching on websites, and such. In those matters I will be guided by those who have that knowledge and experience, and as my understanding solidifies, I will offer my opinions in said discussions.

Examples, such as the 'Jump ships' were used only as an example of possible 'role specific' ships that could be introduced. Not as a part of my official policy. The idea was to throw something out there that would show something that lacked, or could be made more accessible.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2013-02-22 23:36:02 UTC
Capqu wrote:
please don't make ccp waste more time on dust

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#72 - 2013-02-23 05:25:32 UTC
Hunter Blake wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
My greatest reservation about supporting you is your dangerous lack of knowledge about certain EVE realities. In your Crossing Zebra's interview, you indicated a belief that titans are not usable in lowsec and that only large 0.0 groups have them. In fact, titan use in lowsec for bridging is extremely common, many lowsec alliances have one, and many many more are blue to someone that has one.

How will you approach filling the gaps in your EVE knowledge to positively contribute to development discussions with distant-at-best connections to DUST?


I realise that lowsec alliance do have access to Titans, I was trying to reference their ability to only be built in Nullsec. If someone doesn't have access to Nullsec (whether via alliance, or standings) you cannot duplicate said Titan bridge.

Actually they're pretty easy to buy. Expensive, as one might expect for the largest ship in the game, but not scarce. Check out the trade forums for pricing

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#73 - 2013-02-23 09:18:43 UTC
I have seen them sold into lowsec. And I know they aren't altogether 'rare'.

As stated, it was an example. And likely a poor one at that, but the intent was role-specific craft to give a tactical edge.

I have previously stated in another thread that I hope Tiericide will hit Carriers and other Capitals in some way. Allowing for more Capital Role Specific ships. With the addition of treating the 'Super Carriers' as T2 Versions of Carriers.\

The premise ins to push the limits on what is currently the 'meta-game' and bring more variety to some roles.

There are a lot of people who believe that Carriers should ONLY be fit as Support. Remote Reppers, Nuets, etc... And generally they seem to be right, as that's the metagame. However, split the ships up, give them more defined roles into different areas. Support Carrier Vs. Combat Carrier, etc.

That's what I was trying to get across, though as stated, I did use a poor example.

In the future, I will chose examples more carefully, and as always, will continue to look into the aspects of EVE Online that I have little, or less experience of than I would otherwise wish.
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#74 - 2013-02-28 11:29:03 UTC
Just posting this message to reaffirm my intention run as the DUST / EVE Integration Representative for DUST 514.

This has been a journey, and I feel as though I have grown over the past months of my campaign, and prior to that as I grew into podcasts, and the community.


It is my wish that, despite our different opinions on how to push both of these games forward into a seamless and integrated future, I can have your support to begin this marvellous journey together.

Hunter Blake
aka, The Black Jackal
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#75 - 2013-03-03 13:46:29 UTC
These are some things I've decided to elaborate on. Ideas that I'm putting forward, not as part of my CSM Campaign, but as visions for the future of this game, EVE, New Eden, and beyond! I hope to share these visions with you, in the hopes that you can see where I want to lead the community, the game, and it's true potential.

DUST / EVE Integration

I stand for our desire to be a part of the New Eden Community. A part of their world. A part, in such a way, that we are to them, as they are to each other. We play a different game, but these games exist, side-by-side in a grand universe, in real-time, with the ability to affect each other in profound, and meaningful ways.

This begins in Faction Warfare. With the ability to fire at, and call in fire from EVE Capsuleers in orbit. A functionality that is already half in effect. Such a link, magnificent in the making, deserves nourishment, and expansion, into planetary blockades, defence satellites, truly immersive gameplay.


DUST Immersion and Expansion

Here, I will make a statement, and hope that DUST players and EVE players alike don't crucify me before I can clarify my position. DUST needs more of EVE's framework built into it.

We've all been in the 'Instant Battles' that resemble nothing more than the stale, old style of First Person Shooters we either love or hate. But it's the same thing. DUST has the potential to be so much more.
To me, and the overlay of an EVE-style structure on the premise of an MMO FPS like DUST would give it a level of immersion beyond the scope of anything out there, save EVE itself.

Each DISTRICT would become as a System in EVE, with multiple controllable sections, building lots, and truly customizable templates (Player-owned Bases) that can serve as manufacturing, gathering, and defence installations.
Each DISTRICT then has points, similar to Stargates, that link it to other Districts across a Planet's Surface. These points are neutral (CONCORD Controlled), and allow travel to other DISTRICTs for people, vehicles, and aircraft. This gives the ability for Planetary Warfare to span multiple DISTRICTs at a tme, and develop overall strategy. Also grants Planets equivalency to Constellations in EVE.

Each Planet can also have multiple 'Starports' for lack of a better term to allow inter-planetary travel between 'linked' Planets in a System. Thus System-wide Warfare can be extended.

Now, some of your may ask, where do MCCs and Warbarges fit into this? It's a great question, one I'm happy to provide an answer to. Warbarges are where your vehicles are stored, your deployable installations, and other forms of non-carriable equipment belong, waiting to be called down. So if your Warbarge is in orbit, you gain access to your deployable equipment, Precision Strikes, and so on. The MCC is required to 'dock' at certain facitilities to assume control. This 'ship' is controlled by the Commander, and holds firepower enough to damage another MCC, or large ground installations. It also doubles as a mobile Base, able to carry HAVs, LAVs, and Dropships beyond the zone of influence of your Warbarge. (Think Airborne Carrier).

Travelling beyond the influence of your MCC disconnects you from it's CRU, and you then rely on deployed or captured CRUs. Moving beyond the Influence of your Warbarge, means you lack the ability to call in your support vehicles, and / or installations.
These ideas, based within the framework of New Eden, will bring new depth to this grand, expansive MMO FPS and take it beyond anything developed.

Some have asked one question, "If DUST and EVE are unable to grief each other, has the link failed?" This was raised during a conversation with volunteers working for the CPM in fact, a meeting I was fortunate enough to be a part of for a time. And overwhelmingly, the answer was YES. Even from the EVE Players in attendance.

The above ideas give the framework for deep, involved interaction that will bring these two communities together in such a way that there will be no DUST 514, and no EVE Online, but New Eden, and two ways to see the Universe.

One Universe // One War
Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#76 - 2013-03-03 16:18:56 UTC
If anyone want's to actually follow my discussion with Hunter Blake on this topic you can see it all right here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53193&p=12

I don't want to go through it all again on this forum but i feel that it's important both sides of the community get to see his replys on both sets of forums.

I think the best thing to come of this thread so far though is that he's stopped signing his ******* posts.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#77 - 2013-03-03 16:25:38 UTC
Hunter Blake wrote:
On that front, however, I'm not one to shirk a challenge, and will answer your question thusly.

*Snigger*
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#78 - 2013-03-03 21:22:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Hunter Blake
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
If anyone want's to actually follow my discussion with Hunter Blake on this topic you can see it all right here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53193&p=12

I don't want to go through it all again on this forum but i feel that it's important both sides of the community get to see his replys on both sets of forums.

I think the best thing to come of this thread so far though is that he's stopped signing his ******* posts.


So, you accuse me of short-form posting in 'read this thread' on said DUST forums, and then you post that self-same comment here. I'm sorry, but hypocrisy isn't a good indicator that you're stance is legitimate.

And that being said, I have already linked the DUST Forum Thread in here for people to look at and judge for themselves.
Frying Doom
#79 - 2013-03-04 01:25:00 UTC
I am still not sure why I should in any way shape or form care about dust other than a balance sheet showing that Dust 514 has stopped sucking money out of EvE and that it is economically standing on its own two feet.

And if its not why shouldn't it just be shot in the head now before it costs us more money that could be used to make EvE, the game we all pay for better?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#80 - 2013-03-04 04:38:38 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I am still not sure why I should in any way shape or form care about dust other than a balance sheet showing that Dust 514 has stopped sucking money out of EvE and that it is economically standing on its own two feet.

And if its not why shouldn't it just be shot in the head now before it costs us more money that could be used to make EvE, the game we all pay for better?


Because DUST will make EVE better as it stands.

Not only will it bring more to the community as a whole, but it will bring new options, new meta game, less 'useless' or less useful parts of the game.

For Example, prior to Planetary interaction, what were Planets used for. Warp to Points is about the only practical purpose most people held.

Now, orbital zones are becoming actual battlefields. New grids that you can actually have a battle with a determined goal on it. New mechanics that you just cannot do with the current scope of EVE. Like joint operations, planetary conquest.

In the future, possible ideas include, capturing stations with DUST Mercs, popping reinforcement timers with DUST Mercs, strangle-holding Moon Goo production, preventing PI gathering. All these could affect EVE Online and bring you, the EVE player (as well as I am myself) a deeper, richer game that not only involves many other people, but many other roles beyond flying impressive and massive spacecraft.