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CSM8 - A Vote for a Larger Universe (Withdrawn Candidate)

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Meuus
Bullet Cluster
#41 - 2013-01-30 11:17:31 UTC
full disclosure I love dust and want it to succeed, and want pretty much what you say on your platform. That said I'm afraid that most of the people here are right, if self-righteous self-important douche bags. CSM8 is not the right time to push a dust focused platform. While all these things that you list need to start moving that way now they really should be secondary platforms and approached from an eve centric point of view. Add to that, using CCPs track record on vision vs speed of progress, your platform is way to forward looking. Now foreword looking is not a bad thing, like I said these things need to happen, but for your platform cut down on the grandeur and give some clear paths forward, and achievable goals for the next year, that is where you will have some impact. Once you set the ground work for your platform you can start showing how that leads to your end goal.

"Start at the beginning, and when you reach the end, stop."
Meuus
Bullet Cluster
#42 - 2013-01-30 11:47:33 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Hunter Blake wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Yes but isn't that a huge out lay of resources to make DUST 514 more intertwined when no one can even tell if the game will exist in 12 months? being it is a FPS and they have a rather short lifespan.

And then it would require even more resources to remove it after Dust is pushing up daises?


It is the attitude like this, I am sorry to say, that may make DUST 514 fail in exactly the way you fear.

Games only thrive, when people look to MAKE them thrive. A representative on the CSM wil give DUST players a voice, and having a voice, will increase their attachment to the game.

As to your twelve months idea. DUST 514 has been in BETA for years. Tested, changed, and STILL has a huge following. The chances of it failing hard with the kind of influence and support I'm talking about, are slim.

Many FPS are designed to have short lifespans by the companies that make them... The Battlefield Series, Call of Duty Series.. all of them designed to have limited gameplay, and short lived communities... why do you ask?

Well to make you buy the NEXT one.

Since DUST, like EVE, will continue to be expanded and increased, there will be no 'next one' to buy. No need to 'push' the market to buy the next generation of the same game. And the more fun and interactive you make this kind of game... the more people will stay with it.

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal

As I rarely play FPS my attitude to them really does not mean much.

But on the other hand I think you over estimate the attention span of FPS gamers. Personally I know my son goes through 2 grands worth of these games a year. Yes a game for free will have a following, as will a game that is updated.

But how long?

Oh and as for in beta for years when did you get your key, have you had it for years? Or just months like everyone else?


Sir I think you underestimate how many FPS gamers have been waiting for some one to make FPS meaningful past one match or their epeen. Hell since the first time I played on mmo I knew I would never again be satisfied by YAFPS, and have been looking ever since for that pace of game play with some thing to keep me playing.

will your son give a crap about dust, no most likely not, but there are a lot of FPS guys that want a deeper FPS, that are tired of one COD clone after another, waiting for the next shooter that doesn't suck to be disappointed every ******* time, seeing games like planetside and firefall and finding that they are nothing more then sandbox shooters and wow with out the tap targeting.

The systems eve are based upon lend dust a strategic feel that battlefield could only dream of, and promise a rabbit hole that goes much deeper then anything else on the market. Even with most of the community coming from COD, BF, and every other play and forget shooter out there, they have started to see and understand what dust could be and the loyalty through some really rough times, and they have, time and time, fought of or converted again the noisy minority that want YAFPS.

Dust will never have the player base of COD or BF, much like EVE will never beat out WOW, but there is a very dedicated player base out there that is growing every day. Even dust players were surprised by the number of new players that came with open beta that started going out of their way to learn how to play dust well.

Dust is not going away unless its suffocated by being excluded from the EVE universe, and even then I think you will find it will go kicking and screaming into the grave.
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#43 - 2013-01-30 11:58:09 UTC
I'll state here and now, as I have on a few other occasions, that CSM8 is exactly the time we need to push a DUST focused CSM Representation.

Why? You ask. Well the answer is in the community, and the development of DUST.

What do Capsuleers want from DUST? New resources, new possibilities, the ability to simply reign death and destruction on other players from orbit?

What do Soldiers want from EVE? Support in orbit, ISK, or the ability to strike down the so-called 'gods' in orbit with Skyfire Batteries?

These are question that the community answers daily, and should be represented durign development, not after the game has been fully implemented, setting the standard level of interaction that we must then move to have changed.

In addition my platform does consist of short and longterm goals. Many of which are achievable in a year's term. The 'groundwork' as you say, is set by the rewards for DUST and EVE Interaction. (LP for Orbital Strikes / Engaging Enemies in District Space while a Battle is underway), or increased rewards for systems that have DUST controlled Districts in them. (Increased LP / ISK rewards for Militia actions based on the % that is gained via district control.)

During development is when these should be put in place, not after, else it will be yet another 'change' to the demographic after the first case, and seen as a quick fix for lack of interaction, or abuse of system.

I do also have purely EVE-based agendas, PoS Security and set-up, Nullsec Intel / Warfare, variety of missions, and redistribution of Faction Warfare rewards to make them slightly more viable.

Hunter Blake
aka The Black Jackal
Meuus
Bullet Cluster
#44 - 2013-01-30 12:01:42 UTC
hmmmmm csm candidate getting drawn in by an obvious troll rather then responding to legitimate questions,that doesnt bode well guess ts time to keep browsing
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#45 - 2013-01-30 12:18:33 UTC
Tom JBrokaw wrote:
we echo two steps concerns regarding your platform. it should also be noted that such integration may sound great to dust mercenaries but are you convinced eve players will be open to such ideas? this is their universe being impacted more than the other way around, after all.

with regards to your secondary platform, "make nullsec more fluid". what do you mean by this? vague, unclear platforms have been the norm so far, and we feel this is more vague and unclear than most.


My apolgies for not seeing this message sooner. This is a point I'd love to address.

The integration I'm suggesting will benefit both DUST and EVE.. rewarding EVE for supporting DUST, and vice versa. Capsuleers could get LP for Bombarding planets... or destroying WTs in District Space while a Battle takes place (denying hostile Orbital Strikes).

And on that note, it is actually more correct to say this is 'our' universe now, rather than capsuleers or soldiers. We're all here together, and that's what I wat to represent.

Regarding your question about my secondary platform. "making nullsec more fluid' refers to breaking the wealth and power single coallitions can have in null sec into a more divisable state. Probably one of the biggest amongst these is the presence of Technetium Moons. Highly concentrated in certain region, controlled exclusively by the head corporations. Now moving said deposits around a bit, spreading them evenly through Null sec, would distribute the potential wealth and power, and give those not in the Technetium Rich regions a chance to amass wealth equal to the others.

Or it would cause the larger Alliances to try regain lost resources and overstretch, leaving their own empires vulnerable.

This would, of course, apply to more than just Technetium, but a range of resouces.

One idea of such was one of destructable Stations in non-NPC Nullsec. Coupled with a select few stations capable of docking Super Capitals and Titans.

The idea would work thusly:

A Station would still follow similar rules to what it does now, reinforcement timers etc. but at half hull it would first become Incapacitated, then destroyed at 0%. Leaving behind a 'wreckage'. That wreckage will have an assortment of 'dropped' equipment resulting from EVERYTHING that was housed in that station, and the station would have to be 'rebuilt' using resources in order to be used again.

In addition, giving a few stations in Nullsec, (10% maybe) the capability of docking Supercaps, and Titans would draw big alliances into conflict over control of those stations. The ability to dock up Supercaps would be an invaluable tool, and make those stations extremely well defended and magnets for conflict.

Thirdly, coming around to the DUST 514 tie in, Once a Station is incapped, instead of destroying it, you could send in a DUST Soldier team you've hired to capture the station. Capturing the station results in the hiring corporation /alliance being handed everything that was in that station, as well as the station control.

These are the future visions, but the groundwork lies in beginning them by having a CSM representative for DUST 514 who can present DUST Soldier points of view.

Hunter Blake
aka The Black Jackal
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#46 - 2013-02-10 10:25:33 UTC
Updated the OP with an expanded Platform Description.

I'm still running guys, and yes, still on behalf of DUST and EVE Integration as well as faction Warfare and other points.

Thankyou for the support shown so far from many people, I will be living up to what I say, and push for everything I state I will. No matter what.

A vote for me, is a vote for a Larger Universe!

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#47 - 2013-02-10 11:47:40 UTC
Just out of curiosity, why do you sign all your posts? You are of course aware that it has your name and details to the left of the text on these forums?
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#48 - 2013-02-10 11:51:30 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why do you sign all your posts? You are of course aware that it has your name and details to the left of the text on these forums?


Well, I realise my EVE name is posted to the left, but I'm known to DUST Community as The Black Jckal. Signing just The Black Jackal would contradict the aforementioned name to the left. So I sign both, with an aka. Towards the one the community doesn't represent.

ie. On DUST forums, I sign:

The Black Jackal
aka Hunter Blake

To inform people that those two entities are indeed me, and that I am not trying to hide either identity.
Singular Snowflake
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-02-10 12:20:56 UTC
Hunter Blake wrote:

Guys, I'm still running guys. Guys?

Thankyou for the support shown so far from many people, I will be living up to what I say, and push for everything I state I will. No matter what.

A vote for me, is a vote for a Larger Universe!

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal

What support?

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#50 - 2013-02-12 04:33:04 UTC
Expanded platform again with the addition of a DUST Voting Platform to allow DUST players to vote, without unbalancing the economy of EVE Online or Voter Base with 'Free' Votes.

In addition to the platform stated above, I intend to gain Voting rights for DUST 514 players through an AURUM Purchase. One per Account, equalling (roughly) a month's subscription to EVE-Online. This 'Citizen's Package' would also include a Month XP Booster, as well as the right to Vote and Run for CSM Election.


Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal
Din Tempre
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-02-12 18:21:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Din Tempre
So who aren't you purporting to represent?

Furthermore,

Quote:

More Capital Ships based along roles. Ships capable of giving strategic, as well as Tactical Advantage (possible ideas include 'Jump Ships' Able to temporarily create a Titan-like bridge between 2 of them that goes both ways.)


and

Quote:

In addition, I want to give gifts. Giving a select few stations the ability to dock up Super Capitals. But every gift, has a price. Not matter how well hidden. The stations are scattered, far and wide, rare, and in addition stations should become destructable. Eliminating any assets that station holds... and requiring said stations to be rebuilt at the cost of the rebuilder. (Minerals etc.)


are both terrible ideas in the context of EVE players wanting a reduced role and increased risk of capitals, especially supercapitals.
Crieton
FDF Industries
#52 - 2013-02-12 18:58:30 UTC
I think the idea of free parking for Super Caps is absurd. What is this WoW? Really? Don't fly what you can't afford is a way of life for space shippers. Building a supercap means you need to commit resources and time to getting it an maintaining it. This isn't an Epic mount for your rainbow tiger of doom. This is a game changer ship for most players.

Don't dilute it.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#53 - 2013-02-12 19:30:21 UTC
Hunter Blake wrote:
In addition to the platform stated above, I intend to gain Voting rights for DUST 514 players through an AURUM Purchase. One per Account, equalling (roughly) a month's subscription to EVE-Online. This 'Citizen's Package' would also include a Month XP Booster, as well as the right to Vote and Run for CSM Election.

You are aware that EVE accounts have to be subscribed to the game for three months before the elections in order to be eligible to vote? I hope that you mean that DUST accounts would have to pay for three months of EVE-time, and have the foresight to do it in advance of the elections.
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#54 - 2013-02-12 23:34:50 UTC
Din Tempre wrote:
So who aren't you purporting to represent?
Furthermore,
Quote:

More Capital Ships based along roles. Ships capable of giving strategic, as well as Tactical Advantage (possible ideas include 'Jump Ships' Able to temporarily create a Titan-like bridge between 2 of them that goes both ways.)

and
Quote:

In addition, I want to give gifts. Giving a select few stations the ability to dock up Super Capitals. But every gift, has a price. Not matter how well hidden. The stations are scattered, far and wide, rare, and in addition stations should become destructable. Eliminating any assets that station holds... and requiring said stations to be rebuilt at the cost of the rebuilder. (Minerals etc.)

are both terrible ideas in the context of EVE players wanting a reduced role and increased risk of capitals, especially supercapitals.


Crieton wrote:
I think the idea of free parking for Super Caps is absurd. What is this WoW? Really? Don't fly what you can't afford is a way of life for space shippers. Building a supercap means you need to commit resources and time to getting it an maintaining it. This isn't an Epic mount for your rainbow tiger of doom. This is a game changer ship for most players.
Don't dilute it.


I think both of you are missing my point here. The risk to these 'super capitals' will still be the same. Destructable or capturable stations would DESTROY or CAPTURE EVERY asset in the Station. So you could essentially take out a Supercap without it ever fighting back.

Or better yet, you could transfer that Supercapital to your own Alliance if you utilise DUST Soldiers to capture it. Using DUST Soldiers to 'pop' reinforcement timers could essentially (with coordinated efforts) bring down a station within hours.


Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Hunter Blake wrote:
In addition to the platform stated above, I intend to gain Voting rights for DUST 514 players through an AURUM Purchase. One per Account, equalling (roughly) a month's subscription to EVE-Online. This 'Citizen's Package' would also include a Month XP Booster, as well as the right to Vote and Run for CSM Election.

You are aware that EVE accounts have to be subscribed to the game for three months before the elections in order to be eligible to vote? I hope that you mean that DUST accounts would have to pay for three months of EVE-time, and have the foresight to do it in advance of the elections.


This is a question. EVE players need to be subscribed for 3 months to get a vote. Yes. But they also subscribe to PLAY EVE Online. DUST Soldiers do not. Making them pay 3 months worth of 'subscription' simply to vote is beyond unfair, since they don't gain anything extra. So as a compromise, I suggested 1 month 'AURUM purchase, with a 30 day booster, but have other conditions such as being active account for at least 30 days also. The idea is to encourage the new residents of New Eden to vote, not discourage them from voting.
vassarh
Nexus Labs
#55 - 2013-02-13 21:05:53 UTC  |  Edited by: vassarh
I feel your platform is a valid position. Although, at this point in time, I don't think it will have enough support to win you the position.

1. Dust players can't vote. Unless the are also an eve player and feel the same appeal you do, for the changes you do.

2. Dust is beta and built, for now, to introduce new players to eve. As a Free Dust will be free throughout beta and function as a gateway MMO for eve, for now. Development will come, integration will come, subscriptions will come and CCP will develop revenue. This is no normal FPS.

3. As long as your plans for dust include pay to play like eve, you may motivate support for your integration ideas and suggestions. I don't see one council member voicing this proposal alone effecting the development plan enough for these changes.

I play both, I would enjoy more interaction options, for the new player and veteran player, on both sides. Good luck, you have work to do.
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#56 - 2013-02-14 03:02:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Hunter Blake
vassarh wrote:
I feel your platform is a valid position. Although, at this point in time, I don't think it will have enough support to win you the position.

1. Dust players can't vote. Unless the are also an eve player and feel the same appeal you do, for the changes you do.

2. Dust is beta and built, for now, to introduce new players to eve. As a Free Dust will be free throughout beta and function as a gateway MMO for eve, for now. Development will come, integration will come, subscriptions will come and CCP will develop revenue. This is no normal FPS.

3. As long as your plans for dust include pay to play like eve, you may motivate support for your integration ideas and suggestions. I don't see one council member voicing this proposal alone effecting the development plan enough for these changes.

I play both, I would enjoy more interaction options, for the new player and veteran player, on both sides. Good luck, you have work to do.


Indeed I have work to do, thankyou for your support in regards to my platform.

There are alot of people out there, like you, who want to see a DUST- focused CSM Rep on the CSM. Don't let your voice go unheard because you believe it's a 'futile effort'. Unite your voice, and we shall see what we can achieve!
Xander Phoena
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-02-15 00:45:38 UTC
I interviewed Hunter as part of the Crossing Zebras CSM Election Interviews. You can find the interview here:

http://c-z.me/csm8hunterblake

www.crossingzebras.com

Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Outsourced Manufacturing
#58 - 2013-02-15 05:42:19 UTC
Sorry Hunter, I can not support you.

Having spoken to a number of devs, they have a vision, and while the CSM is a get tool, I don't think at this time we should be trying to shove content and ideas down their throat using the CSM.

I will continue to support Twostep

www.dust514stats.com do you know?

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#59 - 2013-02-15 06:06:52 UTC
Hienz Doofenshmirtz wrote:
Sorry Hunter, I can not support you.

Having spoken to a number of devs, they have a vision, and while the CSM is a get tool, I don't think at this time we should be trying to shove content and ideas down their throat using the CSM.

I will continue to support Twostep


Sadly TwoStep won't offer you much of a vision, since he isn't running again.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Outsourced Manufacturing
#60 - 2013-02-16 06:06:51 UTC
I know this, but I will most likely follow his lead and support whom he does.

www.dust514stats.com do you know?