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CSM8 - A Vote for a Larger Universe (Withdrawn Candidate)

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Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#21 - 2013-01-27 11:00:23 UTC
It's amusing that when you actually answer people, the comments stop. I've faced many walls of negativity in running for candidacy in game and out, but here there is no activity.

I'll be posting a website with my complete platform up very soon guys. Keep an eye on this thread when it goes up, you'll be the first to know.
Frying Doom
#22 - 2013-01-27 11:07:43 UTC
Hunter Blake wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Singular Snowflake wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

I would say No Xenuria is more popular.Twisted

But that would just be too mean Lol

But does (s)he play DUST?

Given the current relevance of Dust to EvE, to have a similar impact (s)he just needs to play WoW to be on par.


It's possible at this time you are right about the impact DUST has on EVE... it affects one aspect of EVE, Faction Warfare, in such a way that it controls the speed of the systems conquered. it is an impact, however, as leader of The Southern Legion, I can attest to the impact we have even at this stage of the game.

However, the reason I want to run for CSM8 is to deepen that effect. Broaden it, make it more impactful where it's appropriate, without destroying EVE by making it dependant on DUST. Nor making DUST dependant on EVE (which despite what people say, it isn't).


Yes but isn't that a huge out lay of resources to make DUST 514 more intertwined when no one can even tell if the game will exist in 12 months? being it is a FPS and they have a rather short lifespan.

And then it would require even more resources to remove it after Dust is pushing up daises?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#23 - 2013-01-27 11:18:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Yes but isn't that a huge out lay of resources to make DUST 514 more intertwined when no one can even tell if the game will exist in 12 months? being it is a FPS and they have a rather short lifespan.

And then it would require even more resources to remove it after Dust is pushing up daises?


It is the attitude like this, I am sorry to say, that may make DUST 514 fail in exactly the way you fear.

Games only thrive, when people look to MAKE them thrive. A representative on the CSM wil give DUST players a voice, and having a voice, will increase their attachment to the game.

As to your twelve months idea. DUST 514 has been in BETA for years. Tested, changed, and STILL has a huge following. The chances of it failing hard with the kind of influence and support I'm talking about, are slim.

Many FPS are designed to have short lifespans by the companies that make them... The Battlefield Series, Call of Duty Series.. all of them designed to have limited gameplay, and short lived communities... why do you ask?

Well to make you buy the NEXT one.

Since DUST, like EVE, will continue to be expanded and increased, there will be no 'next one' to buy. No need to 'push' the market to buy the next generation of the same game. And the more fun and interactive you make this kind of game... the more people will stay with it.

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal
Frying Doom
#24 - 2013-01-27 12:38:16 UTC
Hunter Blake wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Yes but isn't that a huge out lay of resources to make DUST 514 more intertwined when no one can even tell if the game will exist in 12 months? being it is a FPS and they have a rather short lifespan.

And then it would require even more resources to remove it after Dust is pushing up daises?


It is the attitude like this, I am sorry to say, that may make DUST 514 fail in exactly the way you fear.

Games only thrive, when people look to MAKE them thrive. A representative on the CSM wil give DUST players a voice, and having a voice, will increase their attachment to the game.

As to your twelve months idea. DUST 514 has been in BETA for years. Tested, changed, and STILL has a huge following. The chances of it failing hard with the kind of influence and support I'm talking about, are slim.

Many FPS are designed to have short lifespans by the companies that make them... The Battlefield Series, Call of Duty Series.. all of them designed to have limited gameplay, and short lived communities... why do you ask?

Well to make you buy the NEXT one.

Since DUST, like EVE, will continue to be expanded and increased, there will be no 'next one' to buy. No need to 'push' the market to buy the next generation of the same game. And the more fun and interactive you make this kind of game... the more people will stay with it.

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal

As I rarely play FPS my attitude to them really does not mean much.

But on the other hand I think you over estimate the attention span of FPS gamers. Personally I know my son goes through 2 grands worth of these games a year. Yes a game for free will have a following, as will a game that is updated.

But how long?

Oh and as for in beta for years when did you get your key, have you had it for years? Or just months like everyone else?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Din Tempre
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-01-27 13:26:03 UTC
I play DUST 514. Some of you that play may even recognize my name there (Noc Tempre). I have the same conclusion today as I had months ago - you represent only your own alliance, not the DUST community. You are neither a great poster, community organizer, feedback presenter, diplomat, nor involved in the community chat channels. I have nothing personally against you, but I see nothing but vague attempt to buy the vote with a promise to do things you know you have no power to achieve.

And I hate to be petty, but I hope to be represented by someone who is going to invest the time this job deserves. Your lack of basic proof-reading leaves me skeptical.
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#26 - 2013-01-27 14:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hunter Blake
Din Tempre wrote:
I play DUST 514. Some of you that play may even recognize my name there (Noc Tempre). I have the same conclusion today as I had months ago - you represent only your own alliance, not the DUST community. You are neither a great poster, community organizer, feedback presenter, diplomat, nor involved in the community chat channels. I have nothing personally against you, but I see nothing but vague attempt to buy the vote with a promise to do things you know you have no power to achieve.

And I hate to be petty, but I hope to be represented by someone who is going to invest the time this job deserves. Your lack of basic proof-reading leaves me skeptical.


I recognize your name. Even had you not posted your 'DUST 514' Name. The attitude, that reek of simple trolling, that you became so unloved for on the DUST 514 forums pervades your words.

I'd like to know your sources on where I did not participate, nor how this candidacy platform affects ONLY my so-called alliance. (which I am not in.) My Corporation is an integrated one, yes, but it is not the only one.

The paths to the power to 'change' things, and make things the way I promise to fight for relies in a) making those promises, and b) getting elected to see those promises fulfilled. I'd love to take your posts seriously Noc, I would, but every time you post you do so only to demean, or devalue everyone else's opinions but your own. Even CCPs opinion.

The amount of times you have talked down DUST 514, or EVE Online in forum topics, in uncountable. And anyone here would only have to search your name on the DUST Forums to see that.

That being said, your opinion is one. There are many. As I've also stated in that previous post you so dearly pointed out, I have been active in Podside Podcast (not as a major contributor, but a DUST 514 represntative Guest, and more recently on another episode. I had planned to appear on the EVE-Radio Braodcast also, but my Timezone, and Work Timetable prevent me from doing so.

I represent a larger and larger protion of the DUST 514 Community, not the so-called 'elitist' groups that 'claim' that I serve my own interests. I'm here to provide support for DUST 514, for EVE Online, and for the integration of the two in such a way that they will be as one entity, as per CCPs plans.

Forgive me if I seem overly harsh also, but you were also one of the people who urged me to post my platform on the EVE Forums. Did you do so, only to attack me here, as well as in the DUST 514 Forums? If so, I'd take a look at who you say is 'serving' their own interests.

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal
ZionShad
#27 - 2013-01-27 16:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ZionShad
Two step wrote:
Can you be a little more specific on what problems you see with the current Faction Warfare system?



Just wanted to give an answer to this in the problems lay on the Dust side of it.

MECH ASSAULT 2: LONE WOLF for Xbox featured Conquest mode where each battle was part of an overall intergalactic war that transpired online. Conquest mode allowed players and clans to join one of five warring Houses: Kurita, Liao, Davion, Steiner, and Marik (Much like today’s EVE Faction Warfare), but the game mechanic was highly flawed in that planets could only be captured if there was an attacking team and a defending team. Ultimately players found it easier to defend a planet by never accepting to defend it at all, leaving the attackers to become board and leave empty handed. So the side that lost was the one that chooses to defend.

The current system in dust is a little more flawed in the fact that both this same contract system exhibits this same flaw and that you are not bound by one faction or swayed by Capsuleers. This causes random battles for districts with no side really gaining anything due to the fact we only use the contracts to war other corps over doing it for the FW Sov effect.

AttentionWe are just Gamblers and not true Merc's in this current System. I put up my cash and you put up yours. Winner takes all and the house get some.

One of my main concern is if this same flaw stays in effect then what happens when EVE Capsuleers start to truly make these contract for Dust Merc's and the Dust Mercs never take them due to no consequence to the planet. Capsuleers will no longer give out contracts. This will kill our interaction and the purpose of this game.

The way I'd like to see it is have an option for Mercs to choose if they want to participate in FW and choose a side or just be Free agents.

The benefit will be to FW on the EVE side as well by spreading more interest to this current game mechanic that has been stated only houses 4% of the eve population and bring in more New Player subscriptions

Multiplexgaming.com  Co-Host "Podside" Podcast on iTunes DUST 514 Beta Tester  
Din Tempre
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-01-27 22:32:56 UTC
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45202

I still see nothing but a personal fulfillment. Some favorite quotes:

"As to Zion Shad possibly running for CSM, I welcome him to. I would be glad to have our community represented by him also."

"Now I am not one of those who is over active on the Forums, I have read, seen, posted some comments, but I let my in-game play do the talking and clearly, with servers being what they are, I have not had a huge amount of exposure."

"FACT: Forums do not constitute a games entire community. Ever.

FACT: Forums are often filled with trolls, idiots, and cynicism that most people tend to avoid. Thus making said forum even less a representation of said community, and more a representation of the 'bad side' of the game."

"Zion Shad would be a great representative."

"On that note, I do play EVE Online (as posted above) but DUST is my focus, and I would prefer DUST mercs to vote me, (or other reps) into the position so they don't feel that EVE has control of the DUST Rep on the CSM."

You have not worked hard to win over doubters, instead you have tried to marginalize opposition. I've seen no evidence of you promoting these other ideas you insist you sift through daily. It's not that I think you are anything but a great person. You just aren't established to represent anyone but yourself and your narrow social circle.
Frying Doom
#29 - 2013-01-27 23:01:11 UTC
Personally I don't feel like I have been fully answered.

So easy question "Why should I as an EvE player want resources I am paying for be used on the interaction with a game I will not play?"

Because to be honest I would rather have
A modular POS system
A usage based Sov system
and a corp management interface that works.

As well of a lot of other balances in relation to NPC stations vs player owned.

So tell me why I want to pay to give dust bunnies or FW a better game?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Telc Dunedain
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
#30 - 2013-01-27 23:28:53 UTC
ZionShad wrote:
Two step wrote:
Can you be a little more specific on what problems you see with the current Faction Warfare system?



...
AttentionWe are just Gamblers and not true Merc's in this current System. I put up my cash and you put up yours. Winner takes all and the house get some.

...


I completely disagree with your analysis of Dust's problem (and actually Eve) as I stated in my response to your blog and forum post here -

Your non-response to that thread is illustrative of (some of) my issues with your past candidacy.

I would advise against people voting for ZionShad or Hunter Blake based on their lack of engagement with the Dust 514 community in either the forums or the irc. There are other great ways to show engagement but I don't see them setting either of you apart from other possible candidates.

I don't expect forum warriors but I have very little idea what either you think about the game and what I have seen isn't up to my standards.
ZionShad
#31 - 2013-01-27 23:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ZionShad
@ Telc I replied to your post here. All I'm doing is just informing players here on what Two Step had asked.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=499094#post499094

Thank you for the Heads up on it man so I could reply.

Multiplexgaming.com  Co-Host "Podside" Podcast on iTunes DUST 514 Beta Tester  
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-01-28 00:28:40 UTC
Hunter Blake wrote:
It's amusing that when you actually answer people, the comments stop. I've faced many walls of negativity in running for candidacy in game and out, but here there is no activity.


You've responded to questions, or at least mine, and perhaps they're merely satisfied with your answers, for better or worse. Don't read too much into it.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#33 - 2013-01-28 01:52:50 UTC
Din Tempre wrote:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45202

I still see nothing but a personal fulfillment. Some favorite quotes:

"As to Zion Shad possibly running for CSM, I welcome him to. I would be glad to have our community represented by him also."

"Now I am not one of those who is over active on the Forums, I have read, seen, posted some comments, but I let my in-game play do the talking and clearly, with servers being what they are, I have not had a huge amount of exposure."

"FACT: Forums do not constitute a games entire community. Ever.

FACT: Forums are often filled with trolls, idiots, and cynicism that most people tend to avoid. Thus making said forum even less a representation of said community, and more a representation of the 'bad side' of the game."

"Zion Shad would be a great representative."

"On that note, I do play EVE Online (as posted above) but DUST is my focus, and I would prefer DUST mercs to vote me, (or other reps) into the position so they don't feel that EVE has control of the DUST Rep on the CSM."

You have not worked hard to win over doubters, instead you have tried to marginalize opposition. I've seen no evidence of you promoting these other ideas you insist you sift through daily. It's not that I think you are anything but a great person. You just aren't established to represent anyone but yourself and your narrow social circle.



Taking these so-called 'quotes' out of my posts from the linked thread is putting them out of context. I encourage everone interested to read the stated thread in full, both my good, and bad posts are there for your thoughts and critique.

I'm not perfect, and as stated, far from the most 'exposed' person inDUST 514 or EVE Online, despite efforts to the contrary, but the fact remains that due to both Timezone Issues, and of course work Timetables, I'm unable to run frequently with people either in battle, chats, or otherwise.

I have been active in DUST 514 IRC, but when I'm there, there is hardly anyone there unless I come either very late for myself (and end up falling asleep at the keyboard, which is apparently quite funny when I'm chatting on voice.. since I talk in my sleep) or very early, in which I cannot stay around too long due to having to go to work.

You say my posts are self-serving. That I don't have the community's best interests at heart. Well I'd love to see how you justify that response. The forum link you posted has littel to do with self gratification, and most people who read it would likely agree. My purpose, for this entire election, is to improve DUST 514 and EVE Online. And increase their integration and interaction.

Agreed, my coporation would benefit from such moves... but which DUST 514 or EVE Online Corporation wont? More interaction = better DUST experience and better EVE experience in general. A rebalance of the Faction Warfare system, rewards for supporting DUST Soliders from EVE, and vice versa. A Loyalty Point store for DUST 514 players based on factions.

These and more will benefit evryone in the DUSt 514 Community, and impact on many in the EVE Online Community. There is even more in my platform than these points, including DUST 514 Planetary Resources, Sleeper Tech aquired from DUST 514 to enhance Wormhole experiences, and even better and more missions for DUST 514 AND EVE Online.

For your statement of 'self service' to be nullified, I'd be running a platform on aspects of the game that my corporation, or myself, are not involved in currently. Null sec, wormholes... and that would be the extent of my campaign. Instead I focus on a) what I know, b) what I believe would benefit from improvements, and c) what I think my ideas would suit best.

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#34 - 2013-01-28 02:33:57 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Personally I don't feel like I have been fully answered.

So easy question "Why should I as an EvE player want resources I am paying for be used on the interaction with a game I will not play?"

Because to be honest I would rather have
A modular POS system
A usage based Sov system
and a corp management interface that works.

As well of a lot of other balances in relation to NPC stations vs player owned.

So tell me why I want to pay to give dust bunnies or FW a better game?



I did answer such a question, but I will spell out what I mean when I say that EVE 'resources' should be used to further this game and pursue further interaction.

First off, nothing you want for EVE Online is excluded for any support of DUST 514. Your modular PoS System, Usage based Sovereignty System, and better Corporation management System can still easily happen. DUST 514 was built with the 'profits' of CCPs EVE Online and not with the resources that CCPs EVE Online Developers currently use to improve your experience (and mine) in EVE Online.

Secondly, every game company seeks to further it's influence and porfits by branching out, buildin gupon what has come before. CCP is doing something unique, integrating a new game into their old one to create a world first in the genre.

The fact that you will not play it, is irrelevant. You can still benefit from the game being involved and developed. Currently, if you are not in Faction War (and even if you are to some extent) you experience little benefit from said interaction. but in the future, with DUST 514 integration, the benefits to EVE, as well as the benfits to DUSt will be felt by all.

It just requires a push, and support, and a statement of what YOU want from them. Much like a purist combat Capsuleer doesn't ever Mine, or Manufacture, but they still benefit because those that do, make his ships, weapons, modules.

The choice to exclude any part of any game, is a choice, not something that will hurt you in the end. You can still reap benefits from the interaction, even if you never intend to play it.

Hunter Blake
aka. The Black Jackal
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#35 - 2013-01-28 02:43:07 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Personally I don't feel like I have been fully answered.

So easy question "Why should I as an EvE player want resources I am paying for be used on the interaction with a game I will not play?"

Because to be honest I would rather have
A modular POS system
A usage based Sov system
and a corp management interface that works.

As well of a lot of other balances in relation to NPC stations vs player owned.

So tell me why I want to pay to give dust bunnies or FW a better game?


Your not suppose to give them a better game though. You are only suppose to orbital bombard them from time to time.

I highly doubt CCP ever really wants you to enjoy having DUST around, or else our bloodlust will be slated.

Just imagine how pissed off you will be and how much more orbital bombing you will do once you learn there are no new POSs due to DUST bunnies sucking up all the funds.

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Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#36 - 2013-01-28 02:46:30 UTC
rodyas wrote:

Your not suppose to give them a better game though. You are only suppose to orbital bombard them from time to time.

I highly doubt CCP ever really wants you to enjoy having DUST around, or else our bloodlust will be slated.

Just imagine how pissed off you will be and how much more orbital bombing you will do once you learn there are no new POSs due to DUST bunnies sucking up all the funds.


CCP does want you to enjoy, and benefit, from having DUST Soldiers around. Being provided support from planetary bases (Skyfire batteries) or Additional rewards only available (or only easily available) by working with DUST 514 Soldiers. And vice versa. If DUST mercenaries were never intended to benefit EVE Online, they would not have been introduced.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#37 - 2013-01-28 03:09:40 UTC
^ Ah, first mistake.

CCP is a business and DUST brings them more money. So of course they would introduce it.

In a way we could already do some stuff before DUST came out. But we do get some new things. Mostly orbital bombardment hopefully some more drama and interactivity.

The thing is that, better POSs are benefits as well. Such as orbital bombardment. But perhaps we can only choose one benefit. Which one would it be?

So, DUST really has to compete against new POSs and such like that, for us to always be satisfied with it. Or course we do get new things from DUST. But it probably has to compete as well, for it to do well.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#38 - 2013-01-28 04:02:12 UTC
It would be a lot quicker & easier if all CSM candidates simply said which nullsec alliance they were in & how many more T2 BPOs they want CCP to give them as a "reward" for "winning" the next "Dev event."

Save a lot of time.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#39 - 2013-01-28 04:04:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hunter Blake
rodyas wrote:
^ Ah, first mistake.

CCP is a business and DUST brings them more money. So of course they would introduce it.

In a way we could already do some stuff before DUST came out. But we do get some new things. Mostly orbital bombardment hopefully some more drama and interactivity.

The thing is that, better POSs are benefits as well. Such as orbital bombardment. But perhaps we can only choose one benefit. Which one would it be?

So, DUST really has to compete against new POSs and such like that, for us to always be satisfied with it. Or course we do get new things from DUST. But it probably has to compete as well, for it to do well.


Not a mistake. CCP is a business, yes. But why introduce a new product that wont gain them money if it fails, and ruins EVE in the process.

There'll be more interactivity with DUST, and as a DUST representative, I'd help guide that interactivity towards benefiting both EVE and DUST players. And chosing 1 benefit over another. I prefer to push for both. And that is my intention.

Plus, DUST now has it's own developmental teams. separate from EVE's so as EVE teams work on improving EVE, DUST teams work on imrpoving DUST. And they were hired with FPS skillsets in mind, as well as MMO Internet Spaceships. While EVE teams are focused the other direction.

So in short, they wouldn't introduce it if EVE Players wouldn't enjoy the interaction, and EVE's reputation got hurt. Pissing off your subscribers is a bad way to do things. I'd quote examples, but I'd prefer to keep things civil in terms of other games that have failed their subscribers hard.
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
#40 - 2013-01-28 04:06:15 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
It would be a lot quicker & easier if all CSM candidates simply said which nullsec alliance they were in & how many more T2 BPOs they want CCP to give them as a "reward" for "winning" the next "Dev event."

Save a lot of time.


I'm not in a Nullsec Alliance. I was, but I'm not anymore. Also I really don't want T2 BPOs to make a reappearance. I want much more than that in gameplay.

Both in EVE and DUST.