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Dev blog: Team Super Friends does numbers

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Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-01-23 18:07:41 UTC
Iorga Eeta wrote:
You need some box and tail charts. Remember, Mean, Median and Mode are all important.



So much this.

CCP Punkturis wrote:
Average bounty claimed in a kill
3.9 million ISK


This line leads me to believe that you've left upper end outliers in your average, and inadvertently skewed it upward. I could be wrong, but Mean/Median/Mode would all help determine the true value of the mechanic to most players and are fairly easy to calculate.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#62 - 2013-01-23 18:09:59 UTC
Ila Gant wrote:
The multiple shades of "fabulous" aren't the issue, the issue is that the area of the legend boxes is too small to provide the eye with a good color sample to distinguish. Unless you're reading on a touch screen and can just pinch-and-zoom.

Congrats to Boom Boom Big Bounty for the biggest monocle. Cool

ctrl + mousewheel will do the same on any computer Blink
Merouk Baas
#63 - 2013-01-23 18:23:41 UTC
The pie chart is big. Put the legend text inside the pie chart slices, above the numbers, and the pink won't matter anymore.
mkint
#64 - 2013-01-23 18:45:50 UTC
Tldr, 'we're right, you're wrong, your experiences with bounties are a lie because we manufactured some meaningless numbers that say so.'

Everybody has a bounty. The primary purpose of bounties is random trolling. It is not a fun, meaningful, or rewarding feature for the vast majority of those who are exposed to it.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#65 - 2013-01-23 18:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Nice hot pink charts for bounties....
Now how about some thing really usefull with those SQL skills and create a new set of Green charts for faucets & sinks that show the following information http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html from the last few months Lol

PS: why wasn't there put a number on the ISK sink of the killing of the old bounties? I think that one time sink was great & shoulda been highlighted as a success too Smile
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#66 - 2013-01-23 19:07:06 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
since I know you're going to ask:
no, I do not want to be the new CCP Diagoras Cool


But we desperately need a new CCP Diagoras OopsCry
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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-01-23 19:22:46 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel?


We don't know the reason people placed bounties on them


This needs to change. Players should be able to specify a reason, even if it's just limited to one line or something. Blink

CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Question: When you blow someone up the payout is based on the "Pend insurance value". Is there any way to find this value for an item other than blowing it up?


nope, it's a Super Friends secret Pirate

That's what YOU think. Twisted

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#68 - 2013-01-23 19:22:54 UTC
why you people hate pink!!!

the pie chart is pink just for fun, if you have a hard time seeing different shades of pink I'll tell you the legends on the right of the pie chart are in order of the amount, the highest amount on top, lowest on bottom (highest then being displayed as the biggest slice of pie P)

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#69 - 2013-01-23 19:26:39 UTC
mkint wrote:
Tldr, 'we're right, you're wrong, your experiences with bounties are a lie because we manufactured some meaningless numbers that say so.'

Everybody has a bounty. The primary purpose of bounties is random trolling. It is not a fun, meaningful, or rewarding feature for the vast majority of those who are exposed to it.

Translation: Don't confuse me with the facts. Smile

I quite enjoy collecting the occasional bounty (got another one just a couple of days ago), and out of my 3 accounts I have 1 character with a bounty. I traipse around on all of those characters pretty regularly.

I see plenty of characters with bounties, and I see plenty without, just like everyone else (other than, apparently, you.)

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#70 - 2013-01-23 19:40:41 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


I quite enjoy collecting the occasional bounty (got another one just a couple of days ago), and out of my 3 accounts I have 1 character with a bounty. I traipse around on all of those characters pretty regularly.

I see plenty of characters with bounties, and I see plenty without, just like everyone else (other than, apparently, you.)


yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them

people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty! Big smile

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#71 - 2013-01-23 19:43:42 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


I quite enjoy collecting the occasional bounty (got another one just a couple of days ago), and out of my 3 accounts I have 1 character with a bounty. I traipse around on all of those characters pretty regularly.

I see plenty of characters with bounties, and I see plenty without, just like everyone else (other than, apparently, you.)


yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them

people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty! Big smile

... and when those people ask "Why?" we'll use our new catch phrase.

"Because of Punkturis". Smile

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2013-01-23 19:50:34 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


I quite enjoy collecting the occasional bounty (got another one just a couple of days ago), and out of my 3 accounts I have 1 character with a bounty. I traipse around on all of those characters pretty regularly.

I see plenty of characters with bounties, and I see plenty without, just like everyone else (other than, apparently, you.)


yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them

people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty! Big smile

... and when those people ask "Why?" we'll use our new catch phrase.

"Because of Punkturis". Smile


pretty much the best reason for doing anything Blink

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EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#73 - 2013-01-23 20:06:26 UTC
Ila Gant wrote:
The multiple shades of "fabulous" aren't the issue, the issue is that the area of the legend boxes is too small to provide the eye with a good color sample to distinguish. Unless you're reading on a touch screen and can just pinch-and-zoom.

Congrats to Boom Boom Big Bounty for the biggest monocle. Cool

*Blushes*

Ack tbh Boom not having a bounty was akin to a promiscuous lady of the night not wearing a short skirt at a discotheque so it was only a matter of time post Retribution.

Hopefully ambitious capsuleer(s) with the nostrils to sniff out a good deal will assist me in liberating the burden it imposes on my shoulders.

New mechanics impacted the business model of my previous mutually beneficial legitimate business offering to the community, but suffice to say don't think many can suggest the new system isn't a vast improvement on the old one so kudos to Team Super Friends.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#74 - 2013-01-23 21:43:15 UTC
13000 bounties per week, 450k subscribers, 3% of subscribers affected by bounties weekly.

How do you think - what %% of players interesting in avatar gameplay? 10-20%? Or maybe 50-60%? Or maybe decent avatar gameplay could attract hundred(s) of thousands new players to the game? I still can't believe Incarna development dropped to continue development of FiS features which are interesting to minimal amount of players such as bounty hunting system where nobody is hunting for bounties.
Kais Fiddler
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-01-23 21:57:37 UTC
If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk.
This also has a nice isk sink effect.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#76 - 2013-01-23 22:23:21 UTC
Kais Fiddler wrote:
If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk.
This also has a nice isk sink effect.


2:1 would be a better ISK sink Blink

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Bobo Cindekela
Doomheim
#77 - 2013-01-23 22:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobo Cindekela
i like the pink graphs but the legends color chips are too small on some to properly differentiate the coloration.

and as for the buyoff thing, it should be 5:1 obviously

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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#78 - 2013-01-23 22:34:41 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
since I know you're going to ask:
no, I do not want to be the new CCP Diagoras Cool


So I should ask someone else about the ideal circumference of an apple pie ? Bear

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mkint
#79 - 2013-01-23 22:38:42 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Kais Fiddler wrote:
If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk.
This also has a nice isk sink effect.


2:1 would be a better ISK sink Blink

An expiration, like EVERY OTHER FORM OF CONTRACT IN THE GAME, would make more sense from every possible perspective. But apparantly nobody at CCP is actually concerned with making bounties not stupid. They are just concerned with doctoring numbers to make themselves feel better about an expansion cycle spent on ultimately pointless work rather than actually make it not-stupid.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#80 - 2013-01-23 22:52:49 UTC
mkint wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Kais Fiddler wrote:
If people have a major issue with having bounties placed on them why not allow them to buy off the bounty on a 1:1 basis. If there is a 1 billion isk bounty placed on a character allow that individual to clear their name for a small offering of 1 billion isk.
This also has a nice isk sink effect.


2:1 would be a better ISK sink Blink

An expiration, like EVERY OTHER FORM OF CONTRACT IN THE GAME, would make more sense from every possible perspective. But apparantly nobody at CCP is actually concerned with making bounties not stupid. They are just concerned with doctoring numbers to make themselves feel better about an expansion cycle spent on ultimately pointless work rather than actually make it not-stupid.


I was making a joke. I'm not a game designer. But thank you for your kind words, mr friendly person, you have a good day too!

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