EVE General Discussion

I did start typing about small gangs / corps being able to knock over POS defences quite easily, but deleted it. So yes I thought about it, but didn't want to get into an argument about the specifics.

I still believe it would help in hte short term to make something happen.

It matters little though what we say on this subject though, it seems. I hold CPP in the highest regard, but their dismissal of the Tech situation for a number of years and the monsters it has created leaves a very sour taste.

that was WORDS OF MAN

Sov mechanics changed to what? That is complete this sentence:

"A Sov mechanic that would be fun and interesting instead of a boring grind would be......."

They'd damned sure better, or Eve may really be dying this time.

Last time they thought of something we got TCUs. IHUBs, and so on. Maybe we should think of something.

The real problem is the lack of room in which to build your own empire. Even systems that don't have people living in them are claimed by large alliances, and a lot of newer players are looking at that space, and at the promises that Eve makes of being able to control your own space empire, and they're feeling, frankly, like they were suckered. There's nowhere for a small alliance to build up without at least tacit approval from one of the major power blocks (discounting WH space, and even that has its issues with alliances like K162).

It's becoming harder and harder for the little guy to make a start, and that feeling of disenfranchisement will kill Eve a lot faster than anything else due to lost subscriptions, and the lack of new blood.

Eve needs PvP - it needs conflict to survive. But it needs room for the new players of today to become the bittervets of tomorrow - and to do it on their own terms, not on terms dictated to them by coalitions so large that no one can challenge them because there just aren't enough players in the game to do so.



Quoted for truth.

Null certainly need to be able to mine what they want and build what they want. Right now the grav sits dictate what is mined and they cannot install sufficient manufacturing lines.

But that's industry. How about Sov? I concocted an influence system loosely modeled on the influence you see in an incursion area. One where player activity gave you influence and with enough you can claim sov. But its been poorly received.

We do leave nullsec, for example I have all of my isk making alts in highsec and only log on for essential tasks/fleets. I'm on my highsec awoxing alt more than I am on my main.

If sov supported the little guys ability to hold sov and survive in null, fewer corporations would be encouraged to grow.

Currently sov is a reason to really grow your corp and alliance.

Small guys need ownership of something tha tthey can use to allow them to interact in a way with the big guys. The PoS revamp would have provided this if players could attach a jump drive device on a PoS and put it in someone's space for staging.

The big guys need some way to drive large fights. The structure grind is discouraging this, and most people seem to agree that blowing up ships for the sake of blowing up ships isn't something that most people want to do.

I do not think CCP can really "fix" the sov grind, I have a feeling it's neccesary for balancing reasons.


I feel like they need conflict drivers that aren't tied to sov.
I think people will fight for ownership of something, just to have ownership of it. I don't think moons are really needed to drive people into wanting to claim sov, and that's a part of what they seem to be for.

Messing with moons sounds like a really easy way to for CCP to screw up some aspects of EVE's economy, and they don't want to do that.

They may just need to come up with some new form of a conflict driver. Something that's worth fighting over with large fleets, but doesn't require you to flip sov, and provides line members some kind of activity benefit.



Off the wall thought below.
Maybe something like a station "embassy" that a corporation can install in one system, that will have an effect in a number of adjacent ones.

The corporation can use it to create NPC supply routes that generate PvE content through several systems, using a single destructible object.

It could create NPC cargo ships that "attract" NPC rats. "Red" and "blue" NPC's.

One group feeds on the rats, the other group the cargo ships and "embassy" itself; as well as, obviously, the ratters.

Make it content that will support a large number of people.

Make it pay well.

Make the "bllue" NPC getting destroyed cause the "red" NPC to pay less.

Have it provide small level of passive income to the corporation, but not "significant" that it's generating to much isk, or be considered harmful if lost.

Tie activity to standing, like having an "embassy" destroyed causes the corporation to lose an amount of standing with the appropriate faction.


Basically, it needs to be things that people can benefit from at both the line member level and at the corporate level.

Even with a new SOV system it would get (ab)e it as unfun for your enemies to attack as you can, a new system isn't gonna change that it's the most efficient way to fight.

CFC has nobody to blame for there boredom but themselves, you could fight HBC and have fun, but your master said no and you listened.