EVE General Discussion

I believe so, yeah.

Its just a silly threat anyway. Burn jita and hulkageddon are both great things to do every now and then, but few want to camp the jita undock and gates as the main thing they do in eve.

This is just trying to play to the whole null sec versus high sec gimmick.

Gradually the risk adverse people got into power in null sec. That is why all of a sudden we have no more wars. If BOB was run by risk adverse players they would not have started all themassive wars EVE used to have either. They would sit on their moons and create thunderdomes. Sov grinds were not that much better back then.

We just have a stretch of very risk adverse players who are interested in ammassing lots of assets (aka carebearing) leading the null sec alliances now. Plus the sov mechanics don't really encourage people to try to take new space once they have it. Thats why things seem to be settling into a situation where the risk adverse players win and the wars stop. I don't know that will last long.

But really I can't even imagine the amount of isk these alliances must have amassed with no major wars going on for years in a computer game.

We're not going to be shooting structures.

oh okay you helpin defend SOLAR's sov isn't an example of sov warfare
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TLDR = Future of Null Sec = No “Sovereignty” and “Freeport” all currently anchored 0.0 stations…….key word… “currently”. This approach will establish a solid foundation from which to rebuild Null Sec mechanics and allow CCP to actually “tweak” them for years to come without a catastrophic implosion….

Many of you know I’ve been promoting this idea for a while via forums, twitter, etc. and I know it’s not a popular option be it that many Null Sec players for the last 10 years have spent hours shooting structures to “claim” their piece of null sec. Your efforts will not go wasted so bear with me a bit as this wonderful sense of ownership won’t go away….

So let’s think about this for a few minutes. Null Sec with a clean SOV slate.…… No more grinding structures, ping ponging timers, alarm clocking, and any other horrendous nightmares you can think of from the last 10 years’ experience. You can change/impact the Null Sec landscape every time you log in and not be subjected to weeks of structures, timers, camps, and blobs… CCP wouldn’t be faced with trying to fix something that’s always been broken, to make something else that can be “gamed by the few” and gridlocked again like it is now. They simply turned it off……..SOV all across 0.0 drops…..and the players take control over the new sandbox….

So what are some of the outcomes to doing this…………SOV goes away effectively turning Null Sec back into the “Lawless Space” it’s always been advertised as…………..Station docking doors are flung wide open across all of Null Sec and 10 years of trapped assets are unlocked for thousands of current, and past, pilots to use again. Pilots are logging in by the thousands and Null Sec springs back to life.

• Alliances are no longer pinned under the weight of coalitions in order to “keep their space”………..they simply need to live in, and actively defend it for it to be theirs.
• Local and regional politics would develop with leaders/war lord’s etc. coming out of the wood works to govern with limited power to hold over players’ heads.
• Back room deals can be made by the lowest level grunt each day which could drastically impact what happens throughout a constellation or region……stronger relationships are born.
• Contracts mechanics are developed to support regional trade and local deals.
• Ninja living in Null Sec could be done by anyone who wanted to take the risk alone, in Corps, Alliances by choice while others hunted them.
• Grass roots market HUBs and industry in Null Sec would grow to amazing size and use all over null sec….Jita size HUBs policed by Mercs etc………. Mos Isley Space Station etc…
• And so many other opportunities for player driven content would come to life all around 0.0 as players were free to move where they wanted if they were willing to take the risk and develop the relationships..

So no SOV………all the stations are free ported……….now what? Where can I plant my Alliance flag? What will it be?........my thought an “Alliance Capital Station”……destructible……

Alliance Capital Station - Each Alliance can launch one “Capital Station” (Per Region?) which is destructible. Mechanics of how it’s destructible, timers, and what drops is something CCP/Players can toy with.

Thoughts/options that make it “special”:

• “Capital Stations” allow for Super Carriers to dock
• Docking rights can be set in Capital Stations unlike the local free ported stations
• Super Carrier Construction Upgrade Slots to be added to the Capital Station
• Anchorable mods on the station, large guns, webs, etc. so gunners can use them and station can defend itself like a POS.
• Industry upgrades can be added, taxes collected, etc.
• It takes an Alliance to up keep it……….they take fuel, food, dancers, janitors, cows, booze, drugs, etc to operate/maintain………..or it goes off line..
• Walking in station upgrades, Licenses granted for such things as Casinos, bars, shops etc…….only available at Alliance Capital Stations………the more come the more isk you make
• DUST Upgrades to be added later, whatever those are.

Embassy’s – (Its already going on so why not make it official) An Alliance holding a Region with a Capital Station, can secure an “Embassy” in a Free-Ported station in each of the Constellations within the Region held. The benefits of such an Embassy can be decided as this mechanics are hammered out. Maybe some sort of benefits to anyone using the station for trade, industry, or whatever which in turn allows the Alliance to tax the goings on in that station etc.

So what about Jump Bridges, Cyno Gens, Jammers, CSAAs, and all the other SOV driven items? Without getting to ******* complicated, I’m pretty sure most of you guys can figure out how to tie those back into the system without turning 0.0 into the same mess it’s in now.

And then.................

Alliance Capital Station - Each Alliance can launch one “Capital Station” (Per Region?) which is destructible. Mechanics of how it’s destructible, timers, and what drops is something CCP/Players can toy with.

Thoughts/options that make it “special”:

• “Capital Stations” allow for Super Carriers to dock
• Docking rights can be set in Capital Stations unlike the local free ported stations
• Super Carrier Construction Upgrade Slots to be added to the Capital Station
• Anchorable mods on the station, large guns, webs, etc. so gunners can use them and station can defend itself like a POS.
• Industry upgrades can be added, taxes collected, etc.
• It takes an Alliance to up keep it……….they take fuel, food, dancers, janitors, cows, booze, drugs, etc to operate/maintain………..or it goes off line..
• Walking in station upgrades, Licenses granted for such things as Casinos, bars, shops etc…….only available at Alliance Capital Stations………the more come the more isk you make
• DUST Upgrades to be added later, whatever those are.

Embassy’s – (Its already going on so why not make it official) An Alliance holding a Region with a Capital Station, can secure an “Embassy” in a Free-Ported station in each of the Constellations within the Region held. The benefits of such an Embassy can be decided as this mechanics are hammered out. Maybe some sort of benefits to anyone using the station for trade, industry, or whatever which in turn allows the Alliance to tax the goings on in that station etc.

So what about Jump Bridges, Cyno Gens, Jammers, CSAAs, and all the other SOV driven items? Without getting to ******* complicated, I’m pretty sure most of you guys can figure out how to tie those back into the system without turning 0.0 into the same mess it’s in now....

In my personal opinion... Sov needs serious tweaking, but can be revamped within the current framework to be very solid....


1.) Replace all RF timers on all Sov Structures with a dynamic set of RF timers on the IHUB only....
--- Create a "Sov Index" (a number between 0-3), and give the IHUB that many RF timers... System use should be the primary metric to determine your Sov Index, and in the current framework might be the sum of all your Military, Industrial, and Strategic Indexes / 4x the number of Systems you claim.... If you don't use your systems, your Sov Index will == 0, and you wont' have any RF timers on your systems.

--- Why is this good... because claiming many regions you don't use opens up your systems to blitz attacks... Small entities can then take systems at random... and will.... You shouldn't "artificially limit" how many systems an Alliance owns... but instead make it harder to hold systems you aren't using... and easier to defend systems you are using...

2.) Add small gang objectives to Sov.... I imagine randomly spawning objectives that allow you to shift an RF's exit timer.... Complete enough of these objectives, and the IHUB exits RF 12 hours early, or 18 hours later....
--- Why is this good... The only way a small group can defend or attack a larger group is by being mobile and unpredictable... This mechanic allows them to shift timers away from large CTA calls... and introduces a larger sense of immediacy into the Sov Game. It also means taking a defended system requires more than forming up a 500 man fleet at a specific time with two days notice, and instead requires a more continual presence, or at least the ability to shift with the timers...

Someone is upset that he has a pretty crappy diplo team...

The main mechanic that needs to be fixed is simple in concept.

The more space you hold sov in the more lucurative it becomes, and the more difficult it is to hold.

Very interesting, i could actually get behind this because it could work if done properly. Would certainly shake up things which needs to be done. Null Sec is ridiculous right now.