EVE General Discussion

lol no

lol no

More like douse yourself in petrol, jump in the fire and complain you're burning.

So we wouldn't treat him any diffrent, than any of our other day old newbies, gotcha.

What about an empire system a little like the civilizations games?



SOV Holding

Every entity holding SOV set his capital in a system. That system is not the seat of it's power. All other SOV system "loyalty" will be absed on proximity to this capital system. Further system are less likely to be loyal to the capital because they are further away and dissident are usually more present in border zone.

How do you deal with dissident? The army. Keeping a force around will reduce the amount of dissent because of the display of force. This force need to be on display and not just a bunch of parked ship in a station so we introduce the anomaly generation based on dissent level.

I hear some people asking "But what is that Frostys?" Well it's pretty simple. Since we can't make the people who really inhabit the SOV unhappy since you know, they are human and we have little control over them, we will display this dissent in term of spawning red crosses. The more red crosses, the less loyal the system is which mean even more red crosses spawning.
"But then large empire can just "generate" good ratting sites with LOTS of target."

NO! The real problem they face with dissent is not the red crosses themself which frankly, can be dealth with kinda easyly. No the real problem is that dissent is also based on system around. If all hell is breaking loose in system X, then system Y just beside it will definately not be under good control. You have to keep your territoty in order of it will crumble.

SOV control will be shown in a similar way to incursion. A progress bar showing 3 color. Blue is the ratio of the current SOV holder, white is the dissent against the current SOV holder and red is the invader's control. (More on invading system later) You keep SOV over a system by keeping your bar over 50%. (It could be another number if needed of course) You basicly have "mandatory" ratting to do in your empire. Larger empire have more to do but they should also have the manpower to do it. The players represent the army of an empire anyway.

This also generate bottom level income which can be taxed. And while industry is not really worth it on a ISK standpoint in null right now, we can also add a system where production of military amterial count in the "display of force" thus reducing the dissent rate.


Loss of SOV

It's bound to happen in a competitive game so we have to structure this too. Or at least explain how it would work under this system.

It's kinda easy. That progress bar, don't let it go under 50%. Smash dissent and invader alike and the population will bow to your will. Let them trash the place and roam your system and the population will consider you too weak to rule over them and leave you. If your control goes under 50%, the system revert to a "free" state where anyone can try to get control. Get it back over 50% to take control of it. Easy right? Well what are you waiting for? Go shoot ships in space to get that palce back!



Winning SOV: The red bar

Want to take sov from someone else huh? Cuz it's fun to have thier shinies. Well get in your ship and do your worst but most importantly, do your worst to player ships. Player losses count for much more than just bashing some NPC in the progress bar. Blueballed by the enemy because he is not undocking? Don't worry, once the system start falling, his income will be reduced and dissent spread faster and faster. Either he will be destroyed by dissent or you. Or he could undock and try to keep his stuff. Your control shows in RED so get that bar filled with your color.

War might last a LONG time. Well that just mean more shooting. War are also not the total focus of an alliance. They can have a force invading in some systems but will need to keep order on thier turf. Large powerblock can't just "hold the line" on the frontier. That boder zone is also more likely to ahve ship to PvP with since there is a need to fly there to keep that border under your control. Not keeping control will slowly turn the territory to neutral even if no other SOV holder attack. There is still strenght in number because you can more easyly hold a large space but that strenght is reduced the larger the empire.


Your system is completely broken because of A B and C.

Well I am posting this for it to be seen and improved if possible. Tear it appart if it deserve that but attackign my credibility is useless. I am not saying this is a better ssytem. It might be terribly broken and worse than the current one. I want to know why to correct the BS part.




The important points :


1- Ship need to fly in your controled space to keep it.

2- That flying generate income thus lowering the pressure on top down income like tech moon.

3- No more structure grind. You still gind something (War is a grind anyway) but it's many small target so you don't really need a massive fleet standing there and cycling thier weapon on the exact same place. More cahnce of PvP too since the other side has to keep his palce in order.




Fake edit : Why is the forum interface crushing my post and askign my to paste a draft with all formatting lost when I type somethign long? Is it a way to call me a shitpoaster?

This sounds familiar.

Please develop on it. Replies with no content don't tell me where to look to improve the idea. And remember I am a high seccer. There are probably many game rules in null which I never encountered wich can put a fog over how I see it.

I'm kinda thinking of amking a new thread with that post. This one is kinda lost in a lot of ****/jokes/flame...

GD for more visibility or new idea forum for being in the "right" place?

Sweet. We will send you a postcard and let you know if the new one is better.

Hold down the fort!

This is indeed one of the problem I could not find a solution to compeltely. I though people ratting would be at least from your alliance so it would not affect the sov level but if renters are not in alliance, then I am not sure. A sov interface where you can input corps as mercenaries maybe. Thier ratting in your sov system count as your alliance doing it. Just throwing this as a possibility of course.