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EVE's summer expansion better focus on sovereignty

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#461 - 2013-01-26 19:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Murk Paradox wrote:
I don't understand how me yelling at you to force you to stand up is having a meltdown. Ingame if you were to kill me, I'd still say "gf".

And I'm not a tinfoil wearing pilot. I don't have a goonspiracy, and infact talk to various different goons throughout my day. But when you say "yea that won't happen because of (someone else).." that's YOUR fault. Not anyone else's.

Trying to shrug it off doesn't change it. I don't think you're an ******* because you're a goon. I think you're an ******* because you prefer to attack people personally instead of contributing to an idea. Whether it is good or bad doesn't matter. It's YOUR style that defines you.


Yeah you aren't yelling anything here other than your own terrible idea that many more than I have shot down. If you're taking my posts as personal attacks against yourself maybe you should go outside. I realize its not fun to have people tear your ideas apart and question your credibility but if your going to post terrible ideas while defending them with "lol no," its going to happen.

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GoonWaffe
#462 - 2013-01-26 19:01:30 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Trying to shrug it off doesn't change it. I don't think you're an ******* because you're a goon. I think you're an ******* because you prefer to attack people personally instead of contributing to an idea. Whether it is good or bad doesn't matter.

If an idea is fundamentally bad, why contribute towards it?

It's like a huge structure with goodness knows how many hitpoints in a cynojammed system.

Sometimes you just gotta grind it down in subcaps.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#463 - 2013-01-26 19:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Murk Paradox wrote:
You are a part of a likeminded group that contributes to the problem and tries to slough off the responsbility to fix what mess you made.


I found the goonspiracy, mention something about lobbies and you too can become a ~highsec intellectual~.


E: I'll throw you one bone here, post an idea to fix sov and support it with good logic. I'll give you some "constructive criticism" if you can do that.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#464 - 2013-01-26 19:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Trying to shrug it off doesn't change it. I don't think you're an ******* because you're a goon. I think you're an ******* because you prefer to attack people personally instead of contributing to an idea. Whether it is good or bad doesn't matter.


If an idea is fundamentally bad, why contribute towards it?



Because sometimes many minds coming together can take bits and pieces from various ideas and formulate a grander idea that could maybe one day work, and for the better.

Hence "community". Which isn't to say a good community that bands together to collectively repeat one bad thing. For instance, the last few pages have been the same people stroking each others' cocks and stating how bad the last few pages have been.

All said by the same people. The drama theatre provided by them alone is catering to themselves as their own audience. And that is being down while being 2 faced declaring to other people how they themselves are straying offtopic.

For instance, the whole point of this thread and a few others trying to make null "better". Notice how the same people shoot down bad ideas, scramble about claiming mechanics, yet do not contribute to anything that would make it better? They huddle together to colelctively attack those who would bring about change by showing how bad, to the player, that idea is, instead of building on those ideas to make them better, to be better suited to approach CCP with it.

If for one instance (the ideas forums shows this) these same people made their own improvement thread, you'd have goon bashers, conspiracy theorists, etc tear down their ideas and say it was to only line their own pockets.

Yet instead of trying to help a neutral party present an idea of their choosing, they'd rather have it their way or no way as some sort of entitled elitist approach.

My ideas may suck, I might know the mechanics as well (if at all), but attacking me for it isn't going to make me cry, or change my mind, or even make an improvement. It will only compound the current problem, because that will not generate any sort of improvement for null, or encourage any change from ccp to even want to get involved beyond having to police their forums.

If you want BAU (business as usual) fine. Your income does not have an impact on me that I care about and I will still play this game. But when you want to pretend to be elite forum warriors, there is not going to be anything lasting apart from shoddy etiquette that will only feed those same "goonspiracists".

And if that is going to be par for the course, well, there really isn't anything gained except for a bunch of pages on yet another thread proving that certain groups are still assholes regardless.

Again, you either want improvements or you don't.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#465 - 2013-01-26 19:07:27 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I don't understand how me yelling at you to force you to stand up is having a meltdown. Ingame if you were to kill me, I'd still say "gf".

And I'm not a tinfoil wearing pilot. I don't have a goonspiracy, and infact talk to various different goons throughout my day. But when you say "yea that won't happen because of (someone else).." that's YOUR fault. Not anyone else's.

Trying to shrug it off doesn't change it. I don't think you're an ******* because you're a goon. I think you're an ******* because you prefer to attack people personally instead of contributing to an idea. Whether it is good or bad doesn't matter. It's YOUR style that defines you.


Yeah you aren't yelling anything here other than your own terrible idea that many more than I have shot down. If you're taking my posts as personal attacks against yourself maybe you should go outside. I realize its not fun to have people tear your ideas apart and question your credibility but if your going to post terrible ideas while defending them with "lol no," its going to happen.



Actually, I did. All you did was worry about a previous post from days ago. You also haven't contributed anything constructively to the subject, or any subject, apart from tryihng to engage in forum pvp.

Be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. Your choice.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#466 - 2013-01-26 19:10:50 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:




[HAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD!!! STOP IT!!! I CAN'T TAKE IT!!! MY STOMACH!!! MY HEAD!!! GODDAMN I HAVEN'T LAUGHED THIS HARD SINCE I SAW THAT OLD WHITE LADY IN THE WALMART PARKING LOT DANCING TO GANGNAM STYLE!!!

YOU. ARE. A. COMEDIC. GENIUS!!!



One of our CEO's just went away for a cry break.

*It wasn't ours.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#467 - 2013-01-26 19:11:21 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
You are a part of a likeminded group that contributes to the problem and tries to slough off the responsbility to fix what mess you made.


I found the goonspiracy, mention something about lobbies and you too can become a ~highsec intellectual~.


E: I'll throw you one bone here, post an idea to fix sov and support it with good logic. I'll give you some "constructive criticism" if you can do that.



I also put forth an idea you haven't shown or stated as being bad, or how you would make it better. Go do that.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#468 - 2013-01-26 19:11:51 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

Actually, I did. All you did was worry about a previous post from days ago. You also haven't contributed anything constructively to the subject, or any subject, apart from tryihng to engage in forum pvp.

Be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. Your choice.


Please quote the post then as I see all you've done is agree with the angry NCdotte dude that power projection is a problem and assert that moving all the moons to lowsec would make things better. The tinfoil-hat wearing crowd is the problem, take off the hat.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#469 - 2013-01-26 19:12:00 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

Actually, I did. All you did was worry about a previous post from days ago. You also haven't contributed anything constructively to the subject, or any subject, apart from tryihng to engage in forum pvp.

Be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. Your choice.


If power projection isn't the problem than what would he have constructively to say about it other than to shoot it down and explain why it isn't a problem?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#470 - 2013-01-26 19:14:58 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

Actually, I did. All you did was worry about a previous post from days ago. You also haven't contributed anything constructively to the subject, or any subject, apart from tryihng to engage in forum pvp.

Be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. Your choice.


Please quote the post then as I see all you've done is agree with the angry NCdotte dude that power projection is a problem and assert that moving all the moons to lowsec would make things better. The tinfoil-hat wearing crowd is the problem, take off the hat.



Oh, you mean from a few days ago? You haven't moved past that? Trust me, my nippses don't taste like chocolate, you can let it go and stop using past experiences to keep a fight alive. You're worse than some 15 yr old teenage girl.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#471 - 2013-01-26 19:15:00 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

For instance, the whole point of this thread and a few others trying to make null "better". Notice how the same people shoot down bad ideas, scramble about claiming mechanics, yet do not contribute to anything that would make it better? They huddle together to colelctively attack those who would bring about change by showing how bad, to the player, that idea is, instead of building on those ideas to make them better, to be better suited to approach CCP with it..


It's as if we have a dedicated group of people here to advance our agenda, ~lobbies~, you obviously painted a target on yourself and now the lords on high have decided your posts must never see daylight.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#472 - 2013-01-26 19:16:05 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

Actually, I did. All you did was worry about a previous post from days ago. You also haven't contributed anything constructively to the subject, or any subject, apart from tryihng to engage in forum pvp.

Be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. Your choice.


Please quote the post then as I see all you've done is agree with the angry NCdotte dude that power projection is a problem and assert that moving all the moons to lowsec would make things better. The tinfoil-hat wearing crowd is the problem, take off the hat.



Oh, you mean from a few days ago? You haven't moved past that? Trust me, my nippses don't taste like chocolate, you can let it go and stop using past experiences to keep a fight alive. You're worse than some 15 yr old teenage girl.


Please tell me more....

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#473 - 2013-01-26 19:16:41 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

For instance, the whole point of this thread and a few others trying to make null "better". Notice how the same people shoot down bad ideas, scramble about claiming mechanics, yet do not contribute to anything that would make it better? They huddle together to colelctively attack those who would bring about change by showing how bad, to the player, that idea is, instead of building on those ideas to make them better, to be better suited to approach CCP with it..


It's as if we have a dedicated group of people here to advance our agenda, ~lobbies~, you obviously painted a target on yourself and now the lords on high have decided your posts must never see daylight.



That's ok, much like the structures you oh so hate grinding, I have a few more hp before crumble.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#474 - 2013-01-26 19:17:04 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

For instance, the whole point of this thread and a few others trying to make null "better". Notice how the same people shoot down bad ideas, scramble about claiming mechanics, yet do not contribute to anything that would make it better? They huddle together to colelctively attack those who would bring about change by showing how bad, to the player, that idea is, instead of building on those ideas to make them better, to be better suited to approach CCP with it..

It's as if we have a dedicated group of people here to advance our agenda, ~lobbies~, you obviously painted a target on yourself and now the lords on high have decided your posts must never see daylight.

Prefire the Forums guns and begin locking the primary.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#475 - 2013-01-26 19:17:40 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

Actually, I did. All you did was worry about a previous post from days ago. You also haven't contributed anything constructively to the subject, or any subject, apart from tryihng to engage in forum pvp.

Be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. Your choice.


If power projection isn't the problem than what would he have constructively to say about it other than to shoot it down and explain why it isn't a problem?


Shhh he'd have to stop thinking we are out to get him and actually reason through the points brought up, we can't have that.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#476 - 2013-01-26 19:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

Actually, I did. All you did was worry about a previous post from days ago. You also haven't contributed anything constructively to the subject, or any subject, apart from tryihng to engage in forum pvp.

Be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. Your choice.


If power projection isn't the problem than what would he have constructively to say about it other than to shoot it down and explain why it isn't a problem?



This is something I posted 2 pages ago to again put forth another idea that was chosen to be ignored in lieu of degrading this thread on some "lords above" idiocy.

Murk Paradox wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Funny you should say that. As I am affiliated with corps and an alliance based out in stain, and have mentioned doing exactly what is going on right now. TEST and Goons have reset. You all have spent pages and pages explaining how that wouldn't work because of sov, and now you are doing exactly that. E: small gangs of goons and test roaming around killing each other while you are reset and are not killing structures.

Weird how I have been clamoring for that and told it wouldn't work, then you guys end up doing it anyways.



Took you how many pages to finally respond to that? Fixing that post you made with the terrible formatting would have been a better idea. What you were asking for was moving moons to lowsec only which is a terrible idea, we debunked all of your arguments and you replied as was "lol no."



Multiple threads, multiple discussions met by multiple people based on ideas I put forth and argued on many fronts... resulting in being told how I'm just trying to make null more like low.

As yo how many pages it took? Took only one. I don't log in everyday I'm not at work. When I'm at home, I play. When I'm not able to play, I check the forums.

And the result still was the same. Null is now being treated like low and and you are still trolling with your nonfactors chiming in.

Which btw does not bother me, if that's the intent, since when I am here, I will still respond. And I can read and see that you respond in much to the same way anyone that puts forth an idea that you do not agree with.

I did read the thread. Many times you referenced the little guy. That's just postering on your side to find a way to justify what you want to say. You do not care if it would hurt the little guy or not. Argument's sake or otherwise. You prove that by posting here when you tear down what anyone has to say about not knowing mechanics, that would make it more boring, that would hurt you more than us, blahblblahblah.

You'd be better off just not being involved since you know that much more and let us learn the cold harsh eve for what it is, instead of having you try to exert some sort of forum dominance that obviously wouldn't pertain to us anyways, if we would listen to you in the first place. Otherwise, you wouldn't be repeating yourself or find the need to take apart discussion structure instead of joining in on finding a way to fix it beyond complaining it is in fact a problem.

Yet when the actions still reinforce what was argued on my behalf, that should be proof enough. You only have your own corpmates and blues to thank for that. Go be bitter to them.

For isntance... if it's commonly known that timers suck, and sov has too many hp to be "fun", remove one element and increase the other.

Example- Let them have a billion hp, make them NOT have timers. Forget any argument about power projection since noone wants to tackle it anyways. Make POS always live. Encourage small and large groups alike to realize the 100% realtime risk (much like benefitting from skills working while not logged in) and maintain the playerbases that would benefit from multiple timezones. Oh, you need to sleep? Tough, let someone else handle it or stay awake.

Oh, that wouldn't be fair? You don't want to have to routinely patrol your live sites? Reduce your sov space for better guarding. Let the smaller groups deal with the same problems however they want.

But it still wouldn't be fair! Well, then maybe mechanic that would keep timers, make them recycle more frequently, and reduce the hp.

Any mechanic that would help or hurt would still require interaction. A common problem each side has is the fact that people have alts in highsec (or any other sector) because of how boring null is. That being said, sounds like you guys need more interaction.
That's still going to be player driven, because obviously waiting for ccp isn't the answer.

As you guys are fond of saying... "it's been this way for years".

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#477 - 2013-01-26 19:18:38 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

That's ok, much like the structures you oh so hate grinding, I have a few more hp before crumble.


Oh wise pubbie sir please tell me this constructive idea of yours that I completely ignored as I am too busy listening to my forums pvp FC and have missed it.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#478 - 2013-01-26 19:20:52 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

That's ok, much like the structures you oh so hate grinding, I have a few more hp before crumble.


Oh wise pubbie sir please tell me this constructive idea of yours that I completely ignored as I am too busy listening to my forums pvp FC and have missed it.


Aww how cute. He called me pubbie! And yes, you did miss it. More grip less stroke sir. Needs to turn purple!

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#479 - 2013-01-26 19:21:39 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Murk Paradox wrote:

This is something I posted 2 pages ago to again put forth another idea that was chosen to be ignored in lieu of degrading this thread on some "lords above" idiocy.

Murk Paradox wrote:

Multiple threads, multiple discussions met by multiple people based on ideas I put forth and argued on many fronts... resulting in being told how I'm just trying to make null more like low.

As yo how many pages it took? Took only one. I don't log in everyday I'm not at work. When I'm at home, I play. When I'm not able to play, I check the forums.

And the result still was the same. Null is now being treated like low and and you are still trolling with your nonfactors chiming in.

Which btw does not bother me, if that's the intent, since when I am here, I will still respond. And I can read and see that you respond in much to the same way anyone that puts forth an idea that you do not agree with.

I did read the thread. Many times you referenced the little guy. That's just postering on your side to find a way to justify what you want to say. You do not care if it would hurt the little guy or not. Argument's sake or otherwise. You prove that by posting here when you tear down what anyone has to say about not knowing mechanics, that would make it more boring, that would hurt you more than us, blahblblahblah.

You'd be better off just not being involved since you know that much more and let us learn the cold harsh eve for what it is, instead of having you try to exert some sort of forum dominance that obviously wouldn't pertain to us anyways, if we would listen to you in the first place. Otherwise, you wouldn't be repeating yourself or find the need to take apart discussion structure instead of joining in on finding a way to fix it beyond complaining it is in fact a problem.

Yet when the actions still reinforce what was argued on my behalf, that should be proof enough. You only have your own corpmates and blues to thank for that. Go be bitter to them.

For isntance... if it's commonly known that timers suck, and sov has too many hp to be "fun", remove one element and increase the other.

Example- Let them have a billion hp, make them NOT have timers. Forget any argument about power projection since noone wants to tackle it anyways. Make POS always live. Encourage small and large groups alike to realize the 100% realtime risk (much like benefitting from skills working while not logged in) and maintain the playerbases that would benefit from multiple timezones. Oh, you need to sleep? Tough, let someone else handle it or stay awake.

Oh, that wouldn't be fair? You don't want to have to routinely patrol your live sites? Reduce your sov space for better guarding. Let the smaller groups deal with the same problems however they want.

But it still wouldn't be fair! Well, then maybe mechanic that would keep timers, make them recycle more frequently, and reduce the hp.

Any mechanic that would help or hurt would still require interaction. A common problem each side has is the fact that people have alts in highsec (or any other sector) because of how boring null is. That being said, sounds like you guys need more interaction.
That's still going to be player driven, because obviously waiting for ccp isn't the answer.

As you guys are fond of saying... "it's been this way for years".


The idea to remove timers, yeah that's already been shot down as it would further hurt "the little guy" since all organizations would need to have a 23/7 presence in all TZs. Which means more people would be required to do anything, bad for little guy advantage for big guy. The other part is half-cry half-go-away-mean-man.

E: The whole idea means less diversity in nullsec in case that wasn't clear enough.

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Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#480 - 2013-01-26 19:25:32 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
You are a part of a likeminded group that contributes to the problem and tries to slough off the responsbility to fix what mess you made.

Dude, CCP was the one that put the flaming bag of poo labled "DOMINION" on our doorstep.
Quote:
You either want it better or you don't. Stop trying to funnel things into "your way". It's obviously not going anywhere and only contributing to off topic conversations.

Yea, we want it better, but people who have terrible ideas on how to "fix" nullsec who haven't even been in nullsec much less understand what nullsec "should be," should be shot down.

Also you should take your own advice "Stop trying to funnel things into "your way". It's obviously not going anywhere and only contributing to off topic conversations."

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz KafkaÂ