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The fundamental imbalance of Amarr/Minmatar FW
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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#41 - 2013-01-27 22:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Yes, especially since that turned out to be the right move. Thank you for proving our point.


I believe it was the reasoning for the decision in question, not the unintended outcomes. It's a fine point, and I don't blame you for missing it.

Thank you.


No it was the right move regardless. I corp needs an alliance that stands behind it regardless of the executors personal feelings toward someone. DeT made the right move at the time and it is still the right move. It's a fine point.


Like an insecure husband who gets mad whenever his wife speaks to a male coworker. I said the Matari were a jealous, self-serving people, and your words here have proven it for me nicely. Thank you.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-01-27 23:07:14 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Yes, especially since that turned out to be the right move. Thank you for proving our point.


I believe it was the reasoning for the decision in question, not the unintended outcomes. It's a fine point, and I don't blame you for missing it.

Thank you.


No it was the right move regardless. I corp needs an alliance that stands behind it regardless of the executors personal feelings toward someone. DeT made the right move at the time and it is still the right move. It's a fine point.


Like an insecure husband who gets mad whenever his wife speaks to a male coworker. I said the Matari were a jealous, self-serving people, and your words here have proven it for me nicely. Thank you.


I am not going to continue this tit for tat. Your opinion is irrelevant.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#43 - 2013-01-27 23:09:07 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Yes, especially since that turned out to be the right move. Thank you for proving our point.


I believe it was the reasoning for the decision in question, not the unintended outcomes. It's a fine point, and I don't blame you for missing it.

Thank you.


No it was the right move regardless. I corp needs an alliance that stands behind it regardless of the executors personal feelings toward someone. DeT made the right move at the time and it is still the right move. It's a fine point.


Like an insecure husband who gets mad whenever his wife speaks to a male coworker. I said the Matari were a jealous, self-serving people, and your words here have proven it for me nicely. Thank you.


I am not going to continue this tit for tat. Your opinion is irrelevant.


Concession accepted.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#44 - 2013-01-28 02:14:46 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Storyline could be better. Make Minmatar genocidal or something.


You mean they're not already?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Babar Baboli
Walrus Mafia
The Initiative.
#45 - 2013-01-29 10:14:47 UTC
Xuixien wrote:


Concession accepted.


Stop bickering! :'(

Are you Amarr scum now xui? :(
Derek Wiildstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-01-29 10:21:40 UTC
I'm pretty sure the amarr kidnapped our legion of plex farmers. Half the people I run out of plexs are stabbed and have a cloak.

I think the critical mass goes to whichever faction can create the best habitat for the farmers.
Babar Baboli
Walrus Mafia
The Initiative.
#47 - 2013-01-29 10:25:22 UTC
Derek Wiildstar wrote:
I'm pretty sure the amarr kidnapped our legion of plex farmers. Half the people I run out of plexs are stabbed and have a cloak.

I think the critical mass goes to whichever faction can create the best habitat for the farmers.


Wouldn't they all join Minmatar then?
More ISK per LP and way more plexes to run.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#48 - 2013-01-29 12:37:23 UTC
Derek Wiildstar wrote:
I'm pretty sure the amarr kidnapped our legion of plex farmers. Half the people I run out of plexs are stabbed and have a cloak.

I think the critical mass goes to whichever faction can create the best habitat for the farmers.


Seeing the other side of the equation is good for you. It will put hair on your chest.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-01-29 15:12:34 UTC
Could have sworn that this was going to be a thread about FW being fundamentally unbalanced by Cynthia's Quint-boxing.

Since we're talking from essentially an RP perspective -

Most of the Minmatar in FW (Electus Matari aside - but they live in their own personal bubble anyway) are extremists if not outright genocidal already. So I'm not sure what Zarnak was getting at with his proposition to make Minnies genocidal.

The Republic gets painted too nicely, really. Could even things out if more attention was given to the stories of the Republic race riots - the Minmatar inherently a xenophobic, fractured race - the beating to death of their fellow Minmatar who preach the Amarr faith, the razing of peaceful Amarr settlements, the constant failings of the Republic to look after it's own people, etc.

Remember - the Amarr and the Minmatar had signed a peace treaty. The Minmatar broke that treaty. They're the terrorists.



"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#50 - 2013-01-29 15:40:07 UTC
Halete wrote:
Could have sworn that this was going to be a thread about FW being fundamentally unbalanced by Cynthia's Quint-boxing.

Since we're talking from essentially an RP perspective -

Most of the Minmatar in FW (Electus Matari aside - but they live in their own personal bubble anyway) are extremists if not outright genocidal already. So I'm not sure what Zarnak was getting at with his proposition to make Minnies genocidal.

The Republic gets painted too nicely, really. Could even things out if more attention was given to the stories of the Republic race riots - the Minmatar inherently a xenophobic, fractured race - the beating to death of their fellow Minmatar who preach the Amarr faith, the razing of peaceful Amarr settlements, the constant failings of the Republic to look after it's own people, etc.

Remember - the Amarr and the Minmatar had signed a peace treaty. The Minmatar broke that treaty. They're the terrorists.





You essentially repeated my point. Minmatar and the republic are painted too nicely. When someone joins FW on this side they have a choice between:

Minority
Ex-Slaves
Rebels
Nominal Republic

Vs.

Mostly white
Religious fanatics
Slave Owners
Monarchy

It doesn't get more black and white then that. It shouldn't be black and white. Most players don't roleplay but it is hard not to be subconsciously affected. Quite a few people joined Minmatar first before realizing they really weren't the underdogs and switching sides- myself included.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-01-29 15:50:23 UTC
Reading comprehension fail on my part; yeah, got to agree. EVE is meant to be a 'shades of grey' environment, CCP really ****** the duck on that when they wrote the Minmatar/Amarr war. The grey is there, but your average player isn't going to search for it.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-02-01 11:02:53 UTC
Who cares about the God or freedom or whatever, Amarrians pay better.

Besides, when you doubt the will of the Empress, consult "Raise the Flag" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5-b9TioIto
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-02-01 11:47:51 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
Everyone wants to be freedom fighter.


You make it sound like it's a bad thing, it just means it's easier to find someone to fight.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-02-01 19:17:27 UTC
Babar Baboli wrote:
Wouldn't they all join Minmatar then?
More ISK per LP and way more plexes to run.


Because all the cool kids in Null are using Napocs as a line ship for their fleet doctrines- so they are actually worth more than Minmatar Faction ships- so while plexing for Minmatar might have more LP available, plexing for Amarr has a higher LP/ISK ratio right now.
Mary Won-Na
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-02-03 18:13:12 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Halete wrote:
Could have sworn that this was going to be a thread about FW being fundamentally unbalanced by Cynthia's Quint-boxing.

Since we're talking from essentially an RP perspective -

Most of the Minmatar in FW (Electus Matari aside - but they live in their own personal bubble anyway) are extremists if not outright genocidal already. So I'm not sure what Zarnak was getting at with his proposition to make Minnies genocidal.

The Republic gets painted too nicely, really. Could even things out if more attention was given to the stories of the Republic race riots - the Minmatar inherently a xenophobic, fractured race - the beating to death of their fellow Minmatar who preach the Amarr faith, the razing of peaceful Amarr settlements, the constant failings of the Republic to look after it's own people, etc.

Remember - the Amarr and the Minmatar had signed a peace treaty. The Minmatar broke that treaty. They're the terrorists.





You essentially repeated my point. Minmatar and the republic are painted too nicely. When someone joins FW on this side they have a choice between:

Minority
Ex-Slaves
Rebels
Nominal Republic

Vs.

Mostly white
Religious fanatics
Slave Owners
Monarchy

It doesn't get more black and white then that. It shouldn't be black and white. Most players don't roleplay but it is hard not to be subconsciously affected. Quite a few people joined Minmatar first before realizing they really weren't the underdogs and switching sides- myself included.


RL isn't black and white but most people in RL see the world in black and white.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2013-02-03 21:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Mary Won-Na wrote:
RL isn't black and white but most people in RL see the world in black and white.

What do you mean? The world is two fences, one on either side of a bottomless chasm .. the media says as much every minute of every day .. are you saying that the state of affairs is being misrepresented by the watchdogs of society!?!?!!111 Big smile
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#57 - 2013-02-03 23:31:13 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
My time spent running with the Minmatar, though informative, has proven itself to be an error of youth; nothing more than a foolish act of animal rebellion against the order of civilization. I am older now, and wiser. Though there are individual Minmatar of whom I am still fond, most of the lot has proven themselves to be nothing more than traitorous, self-serving mongrels, allowing their own petty jealousies to divide them. During my time in the Minmatar Militia, the Matari spent just as much time shooting at rival groups as they did shooting the Amarr. It is only by sheer numbers that the Matari are able to hold any portion of the warzone. I was once impressed by the brash swagger and strut of a Brutor male; but now I see it for what it truly is - nothing but mere posturing. A true warrior, with true skill, needn't boast. ... I know very few Amarr who need pound their chest on the battlefield.

It is for these and many more reasons that I have moved my assets to Amarr space and look forward to serving the Empire on the battlefield; I know that my prowess in combat will only improve alongside my Amarrian colleagues, and I will be serving a just and noble cause for the glory of God.

Amarr Victor!



You joined the right group of guys. They're fun to fly with and you will learn a lot from them.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#58 - 2013-02-04 00:09:18 UTC
What?!

There's an imbalance between the Amarr and Minnies? Shocked

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Mikhael Taron
Four Winds Industry
#59 - 2013-02-04 19:09:52 UTC
I thought the history was the Amarr invaded Matari space to bring them into the fold, and the Matar took advantage of a situation to rebel against their so-called betters. Or have I read that wrong?

You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
Freddie KillerQueen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-02-05 14:56:08 UTC
As a noob I can tell you that the only reason I chose Minmatar over Amarr is that the Min's ships look better (Firefly TV series style) and I was able to wear a Freddie Mercury mustache. But I must admit that I was tempted by ships with friggin laser beams.