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Why has the game become more expensive to play?

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Scaramanga Erquilenne
#1 - 2013-01-22 03:51:58 UTC
Not all but almost every item i look at on the market price graph for the past years shows a upwards trend , why is this Question

I thought there was a large majority of players who just mine and build stuff in high sec ,so why are so many items all going up in price acording the the graphs? Have the rewards for mission running and other grinds gone up to off set this ?

Are not as many people making stuff as there was a year ago ? are is it all a virtual monopoly were the rich get richer and the poor get shafted ?
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#2 - 2013-01-22 04:09:29 UTC
Isk supply (missions) has increased more than mineral supply.

The full answer is slightly more complicated, but not much more.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2013-01-22 04:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
More people -> More people earning ISK -> more ISK in the universe

More people and more ISK in the universe -> More people trading -> ISK changes hands faster (as opposed to saving it) -> inflation

Thanks to PLEX, a lot of ISK changes hands a lot faster now.
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#4 - 2013-01-22 05:01:13 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
More people -> More people earning ISK -> more ISK in the universe -> inflation

More ISK in the universe -> More people trading -> ISK changes hands faster (as opposed to saving it) -> inflation

Thanks to PLEX, a lot of ISK changes hands a lot faster now.



Yes but are ingame wages and fees not ment to rise with the cost of inflation in EVE ?Other wise it just puts more pressure on people to spend money on plex.

So more people are spending ISk made from running missions and less people are mining and building ?.I must be doing some thing wrong runniung throiugh L2 missions at the moment and you get nothing but peanuts even after salvage, from most of them, some l2 missions as little as 200.000 isk barely cover the cost of my ammo used )

Seems like you pay a monthly sub just to grind for hours to be able to afford things in order to play the game.As a casual player your left with no other option but to buy plex in my view.Your better off just loging in to train your skills for the fIrst 12 months of EVE in my eyes

I enjoy eve and will continue to sub because its still the best game set in space for the moment, but i realy do think its unbalanced and nothing but a grind for new players lots of risk grind and little reward ,and not to mention the advantages people get from skills for just having played the game longer and being able to afford better implants on top of that The game is all stacked against new players in my view.
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dark heartt
#5 - 2013-01-22 06:23:39 UTC
Its not stacked against new players, its just harsh and unforgiving. Eve has always been less about survival of the fittest as survival of the smartest. If mission running isn't making the ISK you need then try exploring or some other form of income.

I recently made a new character to see what the new player experience is like, and you do get a lot more support than you used to to make isk.

Also I believe that joining a corp will help with isk making.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-22 08:42:01 UTC
Find a proper corp instead of making your own without experience, there are other ways to make ISK than missions and far more profitable but on your own you'll surely miss a lot of opportunities.

EVE is unbalanced if you play it alone, because then you're pitting yourself against everyone else and even a noob in a good corp can make more ISK than you on your own with far less skillpoints, because those players with more skillpoints and "better implants" share their experience and skills to boost their income.

And the best part of it, is that you don't even need to commit 24/7 or move to null, there's good corps in every area of the game that don't require full time commitment, so even the casual players can join, just takes some effort and common sense to avoid scams and not end up in a corp started by someone with no experience.

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#7 - 2013-01-22 09:38:03 UTC
Many bots got banned and there were some mineral related changes so that's the supply side requiring more "manual labour" to get minerals upping the price and scarcity, on the other side there have been some silly income generating things going on, FW incursions and the likes.

Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-01-22 09:49:36 UTC
Lets not forget the ongoing war against ISK farming 'Mining Bots' adding to inflationary pressure.

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-22 09:55:47 UTC
There is more money coming into the game and circulating than money leaving the game. This is ISK faucets vs ISK sinks. ISK faucets are on full blast whereas ISK sinks are only a trickle. With so much more money in circulation, things will naturally cost more. It's sort of like printing more money. It won't be worth more, you'll just need more to buy the same items.

The massive army of mining bots have devalued minerals to the point where they'll take just about any buy order for their goods. The devalue had gotten so bad that people were buying ships and self destructing at a profit.

Then there's the bottleneck for T2 materials, the moon goo. Yes yes, boo hiss eye roll and all that. One alliance controls the vast majority of a specific moon goo source, Technetium. They alone dictate the price at which it sells and how much gets into the market. They artificially keep supply low and the prices high and are making a LOT of money doing so.

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Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#10 - 2013-01-22 10:51:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Aptenodytes
The game is not more expensive to play. It's £9.99 a month.

Oh you're talking about pixels not money?

There is only one resource that matters, and that is your play time. Your time can be converted into ISK in a wide variety of ways. Maybe in the past you could do level 2 missions for 8 hours to earn enough ISK to buy a cruiser, whereas now it takes 16 hours. Why is that? It's because cruisers are more expensive than they used to be. Why is that? It's because the minerals used to build the cruiser are more expensive than they used to be. Why is that? It's because less people are willing to convert their time into ISK by mining. Lower supply and higher demand means higher prices.
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-22 11:40:22 UTC
The reason everyone also seems to forget is the removal of drone alloys from drops which made it so that it is far hard to get minerals from any other source but mining, there is also the removal of meta 0 drops, the nerf to module reprocessing, the last hulkaggedon which lasted months, and finally a massive ban on bots. There are plenty of other things but I'd say these were the big ones in the last 2 years

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Merouk Baas
#12 - 2013-01-22 13:16:06 UTC
You didn't create this thread to ask why, you created it to complain that prices are high.
Bow'en
Solutum
#13 - 2013-01-22 14:32:12 UTC
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
More people -> More people earning ISK -> more ISK in the universe -> inflation

More ISK in the universe -> More people trading -> ISK changes hands faster (as opposed to saving it) -> inflation

Thanks to PLEX, a lot of ISK changes hands a lot faster now.



Yes but are ingame wages and fees not ment to rise with the cost of inflation in EVE ?Other wise it just puts more pressure on people to spend money on plex.

So more people are spending ISk made from running missions and less people are mining and building ?.I must be doing some thing wrong runniung throiugh L2 missions at the moment and you get nothing but peanuts even after salvage, from most of them, some l2 missions as little as 200.000 isk barely cover the cost of my ammo used )

Seems like you pay a monthly sub just to grind for hours to be able to afford things in order to play the game.As a casual player your left with no other option but to buy plex in my view.Your better off just loging in to train your skills for the fIrst 12 months of EVE in my eyes

I enjoy eve and will continue to sub because its still the best game set in space for the moment, but i realy do think its unbalanced and nothing but a grind for new players lots of risk grind and little reward ,and not to mention the advantages people get from skills for just having played the game longer and being able to afford better implants on top of that The game is all stacked against new players in my view.

You need to be looting. While payouts haven't changed, the price of equipment and minerals has. Loot your stuff, save anything you might use, sell the rest and you will catch up to the ISK curve pretty quick.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-22 15:15:10 UTC
If you think ships and items are over priced, you can always mine, refine, and manufacture the items yourself.

That said, a good deal of items are sold under the price of the materials used to make them.

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Keno Skir
#15 - 2013-01-22 15:15:37 UTC
Forest Archer wrote:
the last hulkaggedon which lasted months


Sorry mate, Hulkageddon did next to nothing to stop miners mining in hulks or whatever else they wanna mine in. The kills that are generally publicised and talked over on the forums are the massive minority when compared to the massive number of miners who never even noticed it going on.

It's good and everything but as far as an effect on inflation, doubtful.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#16 - 2013-01-22 15:21:10 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Forest Archer wrote:
the last hulkaggedon which lasted months


Sorry mate, Hulkageddon did next to nothing to stop miners mining in hulks or whatever else they wanna mine in. The kills that are generally publicised and talked over on the forums are the massive minority when compared to the massive number of miners who never even noticed it going on.

It's good and everything but as far as an effect on inflation, doubtful.



Next to nothing?

Buff to concord making the boomarang maneuver impossible.

Buff to mining barges with baked in EHP and a special brick barge. (skiff/proc)

GSCs cannot be smartbombed and are found in most bot belts.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#17 - 2013-01-22 15:46:41 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Isk supply (missions) has increased more than mineral supply.

The full answer is slightly more complicated, but not much more.


Close

The material requirements went up for T1 revamps and since more players are actually playing the game, the demand for plex went up, raising the prices not only for plex, but also everything else.

Think of plex like gasoline, when the price goes up, so does everything else.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-22 16:00:16 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Isk supply (missions) has increased more than mineral supply.

The full answer is slightly more complicated, but not much more.

Actually no, the bulk of incoming ISK came from nullsec ratters, not missions.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33

Othran
Route One
#19 - 2013-01-22 16:21:47 UTC
Inflation in Eve (for me as someone who only really does PvP and some trade) has been more or less constant for the last 2 years at around 9-12%. Some stuff is seriously expensive, some hasn't changed much.

Game changes alter the value of ships/mods and you have the usual market fluctuations.

Best to keep some isk in ships really - not necessarily ones you fly - as a broad spread of ships will usually cover inflation. If you keep the isk in your wallet then its going to be "worth" less next year - just like it is with most Euro banks these days.
Keno Skir
#20 - 2013-01-22 17:02:36 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
Forest Archer wrote:
the last hulkaggedon which lasted months


Sorry mate, Hulkageddon did next to nothing to stop miners mining in hulks or whatever else they wanna mine in. The kills that are generally publicised and talked over on the forums are the massive minority when compared to the massive number of miners who never even noticed it going on.

It's good and everything but as far as an effect on inflation, doubtful.



Next to nothing?

Buff to concord making the boomarang maneuver impossible.

Buff to mining barges with baked in EHP and a special brick barge. (skiff/proc)

GSCs cannot be smartbombed and are found in most bot belts.


What im saying is not one miner i know or anyone i know knows actually got ganked any extra during hulkageddon. Also really i was speaking as far as the OP was concerned, re : Inflation.

The points you bring up are fair, but don't they all actually work to reduce inflation by increasing mining?
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