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EVE denizens, advise me please

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Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#21 - 2013-01-22 01:56:59 UTC
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm even more sorry that you didn't get to attend the funeral and see your grandfather off properly.

To begin with, I'm with the others in saying, "Visit his grave. Wear your uniforn. Bring your partner." Don't bring your family into it, just go there for yourself. And bring someone close to you to support you though it.

Beyond that, I'm probably the last person to ask. I can be a bit vengeful, even if I try not to act on it. As such, major insults/exclusions like this from people I care about aren't things I easily get over. For me, the most moderate response I might end up using would be the following: if you ever get invited to family gatherings, flatly refuse unless your SO is also welcome. If, when talking to your family, they begin giving you any sort of crap about the life you've chosen, hang up the phone. They will either learn to accept you (and your partner) for who you are, or stop causing you such hurt by cutting off contact. Whether or not the latter is acceptable to you, I don't know.
Boudacca Sangrere
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-01-22 09:19:12 UTC
I am not a member of the "family", but certainly a friend. So, first and foremost let me express my sincere condolences for your loss.

Having said that, I also realize that you feel cheated and betrayed. My only advice there is to let go of these negative feelings. Grief is something very personal. Go to his grave. Wear your uniform, bring your partner. Cry. But remember, all that you are doing for yourself and for your memory alone.

As to your family, forgive an love them. When your heart is ready, you will see the wisdom in these words.

B.

P.S.

Thank you for your service (and your grandfather's too, eventhough he might have shot at mine...)
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-01-22 10:11:41 UTC
Wrayeth wrote:
(snip)

Beyond that, I'm probably the last person to ask. I can be a bit vengeful, even if I try not to act on it. As such, major insults/exclusions like this from people I care about aren't things I easily get over. For me, the most moderate response I might end up using would be the following: if you ever get invited to family gatherings, flatly refuse unless your SO is also welcome. If, when talking to your family, they begin giving you any sort of crap about the life you've chosen, hang up the phone. They will either learn to accept you (and your partner) for who you are, or stop causing you such hurt by cutting off contact. Whether or not the latter is acceptable to you, I don't know.


Don't.
There is a difference between eve online and real life.
And while I would certainly ridicule you in GD for being a risk averse carebear, in real life you should always consider what a fight will cost you, what you could possibly gain from it and if the possible gain outweighs the cost.
In an ideal world, your parents would accept your choice and would be open minded and care only for you wellbeing, no matter how and with who.
I guess OP has made the experience over and over in the past that this is NOT an ideal world we are living in.
You cannot change the minds and beliefs of people over night; provoking them will only cement their beliefs and alienate you from them even further.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#24 - 2013-01-22 12:29:15 UTC
I can only echo what has been said, go there with your partner. Give him a snappy salute and say your farwells, what your family did was cruel.
But holding a grudge will not help anyone, i am sure you said some choice words to them already..
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2013-01-22 13:03:21 UTC
Folks. Really. What this man's ENTIRE FAMILY did is not forgivable. Not by any means.

Their behavior in not telling him the news then covertly holding the funeral only demonstrates that essentially he is NOT a part of the family. In fact he is NOT the same kind of 'human being' they are.

They did not accord him the treatment of any kind of 'son' at all. More of a long lost not-liked adopted child of a sort.

They are embarrassed to have him in the family, he should leave that family. I've watched this done many many times over the years, and it winds up being the best for all.

With the next family death, they will do the same thing, and he is going to be in the same position again, facing the same dilemma and hurt all over again.

Mayhaps people should not be posting here if they have not been through something similar themselves, except to say "I'm sorry" or something.

Of all the people I met when I was 18 in 1983 and 'came out' and was going the gigantic social circle that was my 'new life' I am literally the only one left. All those people are gone, as if I have no connection to the past of my 20's and 30's. And the number of people I had to participate in putting in the ground is horrifying, and this situation was the case 75% of the time with their partners. The families utterly shunned them, took away what was common property and everything else.

This is no different in that his family is taking away his dignity and sense of self worth.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-01-22 13:22:18 UTC
Divorce them and adopt a new family.


Seriously though.
My Father passed a very long time ago, but there has always been 1 constant factor in my life.
My Mother.
Even when I've ****** up and made stupid decisions and lifestyle choices, she's told me they made her unhappy, but she never stopped loving me, and more importantly she never stopped respecting me as an individual.

If your parents can't love AND respect you for who you are, they do not deserve your love and respect.
It's such shame that they deliberately made a sad time more unpleasant for you.
This to me is a hateful and spiteful act and I don't see why you should be expected to tolerate it.

Remember your grandfather well, visit his grave and talk things through with yourself there.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-01-22 13:29:24 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:

(Yes, me and my partner are of the same gender. My parents don't accept that. Can we please just leave that here, and not turn things into a homo/hetero fight?)



You are right, Krixtal, but that doesn't mean that it is relevant to OP's problem right now.
He/She lost a person that he/she loved and he/she wants to say goodbye and honor his memory.
Now is not the time to fight for the acceptance that the family has denied him/her his/her entire life.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2013-01-22 14:34:54 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Lovely Dumplings wrote:

(Yes, me and my partner are of the same gender. My parents don't accept that. Can we please just leave that here, and not turn things into a homo/hetero fight?)



You are right, Krixtal, but that doesn't mean that it is relevant to OP's problem right now.
He/She lost a person that he/she loved and he/she wants to say goodbye and honor his memory.
Now is not the time to fight for the acceptance that the family has denied him/her his/her entire life.



I'm not telling him to fight for acceptance. That battle is long lost for him. With that behavior at this point in his adult life, AFTER serving in the military even, we are not talking about a struggling teenager with Parent Problems.

Best thing is to withdraw form them and let the future take care of working out the knots. If ever.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Calico-Jack Daniels
#29 - 2013-01-22 14:47:31 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
So I just found out that my grandfather, whom I had a close relationship growing up with, recently died. My parents decided not to tell me because they were afraid I'd bring my Significant Other and "cause conflict" in the family.

Grandpa was a WW2 vet. I was planning on attending his funeral in uniform and assist with the honor detail (I'm a military vet).

So, Eve has been my on again-off again family over the years...what do I do? I've never been this angry in my life.


(Yes, me and my partner are of the same gender. My parents don't accept that. Can we please just leave that here, and not turn things into a homo/hetero fight?)



Forgive your parents, and respect their wishes. Be the bigger adult here.

I go well with Quafe...

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#30 - 2013-01-22 14:47:34 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Kahu ia Kane'ohe wrote:
Why were your parents hiding the fact that he recently passed? They should absolutely not hide anything of that nature away from you, NOT even if it might cause conflict, because news like that needs to get to you ASAP, and you have every right to be mad at your parents right now.

-ia Kane'ohe


The reason i was given was: "Well if we had told you when it happened you would have shown up at the funeral with your partner, and you know how the rest of the family would react to that." They basically waited till after the funeral, to tell me.

That's seriously Fsked up. X
Dunno that's there'll ever be anything they can do to 'make it right' - clearly their own internal issues about their lifestyle have over-written their sense of family.

No good advice for ya, other than to hold strong to the values that you honor, no matter what crappy attitude your family might have.


Oh, sctratch that - I *do* have an idea. Hold your own memorial for your grandpa. Invite those as will respect you and your lifestyle. Don't even bother mentioning it to those as will not support you - it's none of their business. Make it a memorial to remember, and fill it with those things that honor your grandpa.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2013-01-22 14:50:38 UTC
Calico-Jack Daniels wrote:
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
So I just found out that my grandfather, whom I had a close relationship growing up with, recently died. My parents decided not to tell me because they were afraid I'd bring my Significant Other and "cause conflict" in the family.

Grandpa was a WW2 vet. I was planning on attending his funeral in uniform and assist with the honor detail (I'm a military vet).

So, Eve has been my on again-off again family over the years...what do I do? I've never been this angry in my life.


(Yes, me and my partner are of the same gender. My parents don't accept that. Can we please just leave that here, and not turn things into a homo/hetero fight?)



Forgive your parents, and respect their wishes. Be the bigger adult here.



I guess you are correct here in accordance with my advice. They wish him to not be a true family member so he should respect that and move on and away.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-01-22 15:00:58 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Folks. Really. What this man's ENTIRE FAMILY did is not forgivable. Not by any means.


Sure it is. People are stupid, and do stupid things. There's never anything else to forgive. If you can't forgive that you're setting yourself up for a life of self-righteous bitterness which, while it may appear principled or forthright, is actually a pretty hollow and childish imitation of an emotionally secure existence.

It sounds to me like the OP's parents excluded him from the funeral because they don't know how to cope, not because they thought it would be the best way to hurt him. It's pointless to fault people for the limits of their perceptive and intellectual compass.

OP, go do your thing for your grandfather. Tell your parents you're disappointed you didn't get to attend the public ceremony, and move on. Accept them the way you want them to accept you. It's the best you'll ever be able to do.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#33 - 2013-01-22 15:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Malphilos wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Folks. Really. What this man's ENTIRE FAMILY did is not forgivable. Not by any means.


Sure it is. People are stupid, and do stupid things. There's never anything else to forgive. If you can't forgive that you're setting yourself up for a life of self-righteous bitterness which, while it may appear principled or forthright, is actually a pretty hollow and childish imitation of an emotionally secure existence.

It sounds to me like the OP's parents excluded him from the funeral because they don't know how to cope, not because they thought it would be the best way to hurt him. It's pointless to fault people for the limits of their perceptive and intellectual compass.

OP, go do your thing for your grandfather. Tell your parents you're disappointed you didn't get to attend the public ceremony, and move on. Accept them the way you want them to accept you. It's the best you'll ever be able to do.



So what is he supposed to do, walk right up and forgive them to their faces ? Of course he can forgive in his own mind, and yes, that is the right thing to do as otherwise will lead to resentments and all that.

And his parent do know how to cope, by excluding him. They are embarrassed of their own child. This is their way of coping. And again, until they come to him directly saying they have made a terrible mistake, this will happen over and over again. Is he supposed to just put up with it through a form of emotional masochism ?

Maybe it's happened sometime somewhere, but once things are at this point in someone's adult life with such familial behavior, I personally have never once seen it solved or work out in any way. Trying is beating ones head against brick walls.


EDIT: and THAT leads to further resentments and bitterness indeed.

What people do not seem to be understanding is this is not going to be a one time thing.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Xenuria
#34 - 2013-01-22 15:15:00 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
So I just found out that my grandfather, whom I had a close relationship growing up with, recently died. My parents decided not to tell me because they were afraid I'd bring my Significant Other and "cause conflict" in the family.

Grandpa was a WW2 vet. I was planning on attending his funeral in uniform and assist with the honor detail (I'm a military vet).

So, Eve has been my on again-off again family over the years...what do I do? I've never been this angry in my life.


(Yes, me and my partner are of the same gender. My parents don't accept that. Can we please just leave that here, and not turn things into a homo/hetero fight?)



I am really sorry for your loss, I am also really agitated that they would not tell you because of something so inconsequential.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#35 - 2013-01-22 15:25:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Calico-Jack Daniels wrote:
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
So I just found out that my grandfather, whom I had a close relationship growing up with, recently died. My parents decided not to tell me because they were afraid I'd bring my Significant Other and "cause conflict" in the family.

Grandpa was a WW2 vet. I was planning on attending his funeral in uniform and assist with the honor detail (I'm a military vet).

So, Eve has been my on again-off again family over the years...what do I do? I've never been this angry in my life.


(Yes, me and my partner are of the same gender. My parents don't accept that. Can we please just leave that here, and not turn things into a homo/hetero fight?)



Forgive your parents, and respect their wishes. Be the bigger adult here.



I guess you are correct here in accordance with my advice.


in accordance with your advice.....

The expert has spoken everyone! Heed his advice and choose your words carefully!

For the OP: Unless you have any other relatives to whom you are close to, I would say drop the family and move on. The idea of picking up a new family is not that far fetched. I have a biological mother, a stepmother, and a rent-a-mother and the latter 2 have been more of a mother than the first ever was. Simply put if they can't at least meet you halfway then find somebody who will. As for the grandfather just go with what everyone else said, but I'm suspecting that you are already there.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2013-01-22 15:32:02 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
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The expert has spoken everyone! Heed his advice and choose your words carefully!




This kind of snipping is unnecessary here Michael.

And expert ? Yes. Probably. I've mentioned a few incidents from my past, but not the core incident which is very very similar to the OP.

But this is not a thread about me. But I am giving the best advice I can based on extremely personal and close experience to this situation.

Maybe in a few days when we know more how OP is doing I will post the horror that happened to me.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#37 - 2013-01-22 15:35:10 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
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The expert has spoken everyone! Heed his advice and choose your words carefully!




This kind of snipping is unnecessary here Michael.

And expert ? Yes. Probably. I've mentioned a few incidents from my past, but not the core incident which is very very similar to the OP.

But this is not a thread about me. But I am giving the best advice I can based on extremely personal and close experience to this situation.

Maybe in a few days when we know more how OP is doing I will post the horror that happened to me.


You're coming in here like you are Dr Phil and telling everyone else how the advice should be. Advice is based on opinions, and opinions are neither right or wrong, they just are.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2013-01-22 15:44:52 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:


You're coming in here like you are Dr Phil and telling everyone else how the advice should be. Advice is based on opinions, and opinions are neither right or wrong, they just are.



Drop it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#39 - 2013-01-22 15:54:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:


You're coming in here like you are Dr Phil and telling everyone else how the advice should be. Advice is based on opinions, and opinions are neither right or wrong, they just are.



Drop it.


No problem, just stop typing asinine phrases like "in accordance with my advice". Like you said, this thread isn't about you. The OP asked for advice and people are offering it in whatever form they can. The OP will read that advice and decide the best course of action, not have you decide.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#40 - 2013-01-22 16:36:19 UTC
Thanks for all of your kind words and ideas. I've actually gotten in touch with the local VFW, told them the story of what happened, and the guy in charge said they'd be willing to host honors for my grandfather, when I can get to the area. I'll be visiting with my partner, and close friends of mine.

Honestly, this is the final straw in many, many years of problems with my family accepting me for who I am. I won't be antagonistic about it, but, I'm not having anything more to do with my family. I've got my "EVE family", as dysfunctional as ya'll are, and I have my friends and real world life.

Thanks again. Everyone talks BS about the EVE community, but you folks have been wonderful towards a perfect stranger in a rough time.

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