Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We're not going to apply the Incursus change if significant parts of this proposal get delayed, don't worry. They go hand in hand.

What you say is honorable but factor this in.

We don't want a skill that reduces mass penalty

The fact that an armor tanker has to train a skill to reduce a disadvantage that a alternate system does not have is plain unfair.

And that's not taking into account that the sig penalty is very slight when compared to the mass/speed penalty

What would make it fair is if there was no mass/speed penalty to begin with OR shield mods/rigs had the same speed/mass penalty, which not only makes sense since it means speed tanking becomes a more independent way of fitting a ship.

If CCP do decide to continue with this path then yes maybe a pointless skill to reduce shield sig penalty can be bezzie mate with the equally pointless mass penalty reduction skill

Buffer tanks just work better than active reps because more people are involved in the fights these days with a bigger server population as well as the dps from each ship has increased a lot the last few years easily overcoming active tanks...

Shield buffers work better than armor buffer for other reasons than a direct comparison:
Buffer and RR proofed to be win - but armor rr is dealyed making it a problem with bigger numbers.
Shield buffer work better because you don't need to rep up between fights if you have time to wait.
Armor buffer can't keep up and dictate range against shield buffer fleets - and speed is important (hence we had a nano nerf)
Shield has become in favour because it allows damage mods going full gank. full gank with numbers are better than heavily tanked armor buffers with little dps. This is a result of more people fighting.

So don't go flat out thinking shield buffer is better than armor buffer on a 1 to 1 comparison. It's the added benefits when you have large numbers that gives the image of shield fleets we have today...

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No. The idea is to use cap from your capacitor AND consume another capacitor booster charge (probably small one) to give the augmented rep amount.

Well yea i can agree with this.. And yea maybe mass penalty is bit rough compared to sig penalty. But to give another skill that reduces its penalty while not giving anything to other..

But then again if we compare lets say zealot fleet with logi support vs vaga fleet with logi support. Which is stronger? Yea hard to say depends on situation i guess...

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Alltho i do think they should have different penalties so things remain different. I like that they work differently.. Shield regen not really issue for me. But maybe they could make shield regen work with some skill while making another lets say resistance skill to compansate etc..

Problem is, you can't compare shields and armor in a straight-up manner. For one, shields regen, armor doesn't. That alone invalidates a lot of direct shield vs armor comparisons.

Now, if CCP added passive armor repair via some new nanite technology, then shield vs armor comparisons would work better, but the cost would be shield and armor tanking being completely homogenized. Then again, with AAR being added on top of ASB, arguably the two ARE getting homogenized regardless.

I have to say that this proposal is underwhelming.

Which to say is uncharacteristic of you Fozzie.

You and your co workers managed to bring Faction warfare to the forefront of PvP

You then made useless and redundant ships become not just useful but also unique, creating endless possibility's and a fresh atmosphere for the average PvPer

some people (including myself) would that it was your teams work that was the best part of Retribution.

But this just does not look healthy , i would prefer you took a better look at Armor tanking in both its active and buffer forms and do a real re vamp of the way armor plays.

Too bad.
I just calculated that with 3 of these T2 rigs, an overheated Repper would actually have had a NEGATIVE cycle time.
And I believe THAT would have caused a severe disruption in time-space that might have been used to create wormholes to Jove space... :-(

To be honest. All rigs should have their penalty removed and the bonus you get from them linked to the level of the skill you train for it.

I mean why not? The drawbacks on rigs on the whole tend to be stupid. Also there is so much imbalance between the rigs. Some rigs are far too good while others are just underwhelming

In one of the other balancing threads someone mentioned the idea of a 20% reduction per rigging level instead of 10% per level, both improving the effectiveness of rigs and making there a reason to train them to level 5