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terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-01-22 07:28:19 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:


It isn't an acceptable side effect though due to the aforementioned INFLATION that's already a problem. Also yes they do drop tank items...........


They drop tank items that they obviously weren't using. Reducing EHP by 20% wont increase isk flow so fast that it would ruin the market. Maybe if it was like 300% or something like that, but not 20%. NPCs have too many EHP!


It won't ruin it completely but it's still raising inflation which CCP doesn't want. Now state again your reason why "NPCs have too many EHP!"?

It makes PVE tedious. From a game design perspective they should reduce NPC EHP.


So basically now you're just complaining that you don't like PVE because it takes too long correct?
Your fix is to lower EHP and lower NPC bounties.
If you were ratting you would just have to warp around more which makes it much more tedious then having to shoot them a few extra times.
If you were mission running then you would be able to complete them much quicker leading to the inflation problem again.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#142 - 2013-01-22 07:35:44 UTC
NPCs have very poor EHP. That I, a relatively new toon, can run L4s in a 1400mm arty Tornado with pretty bad support skills is proof of this. I can kill an NPC Machariel in a few salvos. Try that with a player Machariel. Or for that matter, a player battlecruiser. Roll

That being said, I am all in favor of less NPCs per mission, but instead having to fight maybe five very skilled NPCs per room.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2013-01-22 07:39:23 UTC
terzho wrote:


So basically now you're just complaining that you don't like PVE because it takes too long correct?
Your fix is to lower EHP and lower NPC bounties.
If you were ratting you would just have to warp around more which makes it much more tedious then having to shoot them a few extra times.
If you were mission running then you would be able to complete them much quicker leading to the inflation problem again.


Relax friend. There is no Inflation problem. NPCs have too many EHP.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#144 - 2013-01-22 07:40:11 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:
So basically now you're just complaining that you don't like PVE because it takes too long correct?
Your fix is to lower EHP and lower NPC bounties.
If you were ratting you would just have to warp around more which makes it much more tedious then having to shoot them a few extra times.
If you were mission running then you would be able to complete them much quicker leading to the inflation problem again.

Relax friend. There is no Inflation problem. NPCs have too many EHP.

I completely believe you.

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dark heartt
#145 - 2013-01-22 07:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
None ofthe Above wrote:
Buff NPCs, give them fittings and AI that better mimics players.

Make them Neutable.

Make them warp out and grab reinforcements so that points and scrams are useful.

End the divide between PVE and PVP fits.

Blur the lines between PVE and PVP for a better game.


This hits the nail on the head for this topic.

The OP has made no attempt to back up his claims that EHP on NPC's are too high, but then admits that he wants to roll through NPC's quicker so he can get back to PVP.

The answer to that is to make PVE like PVP. Give them a realistic tank and treat them exactly the same as a players ship.

As a side note, constantly repeating the same thing over and over is not the best way to convey a point. All that does is make people more likely to think that you are trolling.

Dark out.


PS: There is an inflation problem. That why things are more expensive now than they were a few years ago. I should also note that treating them like a players ship means they need to work out a buff for NPCs.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#146 - 2013-01-22 07:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: terzho
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:


So basically now you're just complaining that you don't like PVE because it takes too long correct?
Your fix is to lower EHP and lower NPC bounties.
If you were ratting you would just have to warp around more which makes it much more tedious then having to shoot them a few extra times.
If you were mission running then you would be able to complete them much quicker leading to the inflation problem again.


Relax friend. There is no Inflation problem. NPCs have too many EHP.


Evidence? I have evidence that there is. Where is there evidence that there isn't? Or that NPC's have too much EHP?
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2013-01-22 07:49:04 UTC
terzho wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:


So basically now you're just complaining that you don't like PVE because it takes too long correct?
Your fix is to lower EHP and lower NPC bounties.
If you were ratting you would just have to warp around more which makes it much more tedious then having to shoot them a few extra times.
If you were mission running then you would be able to complete them much quicker leading to the inflation problem again.


Relax friend. There is no Inflation problem. NPCs have too many EHP.


Evidence? I have evidence that there is. Where is there evidence that there isn't? Or that NPC's have too much EHP?

Here is your inflation thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1161569#post1161569
You wont be warping that much if you reduce NPC EHP. If you are hiding behind inflation, then you got nothing. Inflation is caused by lack on minerals in the is game not RL factors like an overabundance of money.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#148 - 2013-01-22 07:59:20 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:


So basically now you're just complaining that you don't like PVE because it takes too long correct?
Your fix is to lower EHP and lower NPC bounties.
If you were ratting you would just have to warp around more which makes it much more tedious then having to shoot them a few extra times.
If you were mission running then you would be able to complete them much quicker leading to the inflation problem again.


Relax friend. There is no Inflation problem. NPCs have too many EHP.


Evidence? I have evidence that there is. Where is there evidence that there isn't? Or that NPC's have too much EHP?

Here is your inflation thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1161569#post1161569
You wont be warping that much if you reduce NPC EHP. If you are hiding behind inflation, then you got nothing. Inflation is caused by lack on minerals in the is game not RL factors like an overabundance of money.


That thick skull of yours has so much EHP and resistance to fact that it makes NPC BS look like unfitted frigs...
terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#149 - 2013-01-22 08:00:05 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:


So basically now you're just complaining that you don't like PVE because it takes too long correct?
Your fix is to lower EHP and lower NPC bounties.
If you were ratting you would just have to warp around more which makes it much more tedious then having to shoot them a few extra times.
If you were mission running then you would be able to complete them much quicker leading to the inflation problem again.


Relax friend. There is no Inflation problem. NPCs have too many EHP.


Evidence? I have evidence that there is. Where is there evidence that there isn't? Or that NPC's have too much EHP?

Here is your inflation thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1161569#post1161569
You wont be warping that much if you reduce NPC EHP. If you are hiding behind inflation, then you got nothing. Inflation is caused by lack on minerals in the is game not RL factors like an overabundance of money.


If you're saying that is where my evidence for inflation is from, you are wrong. CCP themselves said inflation was a problem. Furthermore inflation is not caused by lack of minerals, i don't know where you got that from. It is from too much isk being injected into the game which happens if your change happens.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2013-01-22 08:00:52 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
terzho wrote:


So basically now you're just complaining that you don't like PVE because it takes too long correct?
Your fix is to lower EHP and lower NPC bounties.
If you were ratting you would just have to warp around more which makes it much more tedious then having to shoot them a few extra times.
If you were mission running then you would be able to complete them much quicker leading to the inflation problem again.


Relax friend. There is no Inflation problem. NPCs have too many EHP.


Evidence? I have evidence that there is. Where is there evidence that there isn't? Or that NPC's have too much EHP?

Here is your inflation thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1161569#post1161569
You wont be warping that much if you reduce NPC EHP. If you are hiding behind inflation, then you got nothing. Inflation is caused by lack on minerals in the is game not RL factors like an overabundance of money.


That thick skull of yours has so much EHP and resistance to fact that it makes NPC BS look like unfitted frigs...

CCP ought to snip you for trolling and insulting me.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2013-01-22 08:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aza Ebanu
terzho wrote:



If you're saying that is where my evidence for inflation is from, you are wrong. CCP themselves said inflation was a problem. Furthermore inflation is not caused by lack of minerals, i don't know where you got that from. It is from too much isk being injected into the game which happens if your change happens.


I'm sure if they were worried about all that they would have nerfed FW, Incursions, etc. don't worry the isk wont flow fast enough to mess up the EVE market. the link was to encourage you to take your inflation worries elsewhere. NPCs need to lose some EHP and it wont hurt the market.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#152 - 2013-01-22 08:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Aza Ebanu wrote:
I'm sure if they were worried about all that they would have nerfed FW, Incursions, etc. don't worry the isk wont flow fast enough to mess up the EVE market. the link was to encourage you to take your inflation worries elsewhere. NPCs need to lose some EHP and it wont hurt the market.


FW was never an ISK faucet, and they did nerf both FW and Incursions.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2013-01-22 08:15:38 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
I'm sure if they were worried about all that they would have nerfed FW, Incursions, etc. don't worry the isk wont flow fast enough to mess up the EVE market. the link was to encourage you to take your inflation worries elsewhere. NPCs need to lose some EHP and it wont hurt the market.


FW was never an ISK faucet, and they did nerf both FW and Incursions.


Did they add more EHP to the NPCs?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#154 - 2013-01-22 08:17:38 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
I'm sure if they were worried about all that they would have nerfed FW, Incursions, etc. don't worry the isk wont flow fast enough to mess up the EVE market. the link was to encourage you to take your inflation worries elsewhere. NPCs need to lose some EHP and it wont hurt the market.


FW was never an ISK faucet, and they did nerf both FW and Incursions.


Did they add more EHP to the NPCs?


They added more EHP worth of NPCs required for completion of sites, yes.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2013-01-22 08:21:07 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
I'm sure if they were worried about all that they would have nerfed FW, Incursions, etc. don't worry the isk wont flow fast enough to mess up the EVE market. the link was to encourage you to take your inflation worries elsewhere. NPCs need to lose some EHP and it wont hurt the market.


FW was never an ISK faucet, and they did nerf both FW and Incursions.


Did they add more EHP to the NPCs?


They added more EHP worth of NPCs required for completion of sites, yes.

What? Write it again your english is bad. Did they increase the EHP of the existing NPCs ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-01-22 08:23:20 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
I'm sure if they were worried about all that they would have nerfed FW, Incursions, etc. don't worry the isk wont flow fast enough to mess up the EVE market. the link was to encourage you to take your inflation worries elsewhere. NPCs need to lose some EHP and it wont hurt the market.


FW was never an ISK faucet, and they did nerf both FW and Incursions.


Did they add more EHP to the NPCs?


They added more EHP worth of NPCs required for completion of sites, yes.

What? Write it again your english is bad. Did they increase the EHP of the existing NPCs ?


They added more NPC in the sites which effectively require you to shoot more EHP worth of ship before you can get your reward. Basicly, it means CCP wanted the sites to take more time to complete.
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#157 - 2013-01-22 08:25:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
Posting in an " I Want Easy Mode" thread.

Number 1

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#158 - 2013-01-22 08:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Aza Ebanu wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


They added more EHP worth of NPCs required for completion of sites, yes.

What? Write it again your english is bad. Did they increase the EHP of the existing NPCs ?


Nope, my sentence parses perfectly in English.

With FW, they changed it to require killing some NPCs instead of no NPCs, meaning that you have to kill more EHP worth of NPCs to complete the site.

With Incursions, you are now required to kill all of the NPCs instead of only some of the NPCs, meaning that you have to kill more EHP worth of NPCs to complete the site.

Both have very similar effects to increasing the EHP of the individual ships, in that it makes the sites take longer (or, in the case of FW, require the fitting of guns) to complete.

Regardless, you claimed that
Aza Ebanu wrote:
I'm sure if they were worried about all that they would have nerfed FW, Incursions, etc.


I showed you that they did nerf FW and Incursions.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#159 - 2013-01-22 08:28:27 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Its time to nerf NPCs. They have more hitpoints than necessary: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=5&return_to=
The devs should reduce the hit points of NPCs by about 15% After all the NPCs are smarter now.
So why so many hit points?


-OR-
Nerf NPC corps.

NPC corp ~ McDonalds
Player run corp ~ Enron


NPC corp players: "play the way you want and give no fucks about little Jimmys asking for candies"

PRC players: "gimme yer lunch or I'll call all my friends"

Lol

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2013-01-22 08:30:50 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
I got nothing.


FIXED