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Optimizing Invention & Manufacturing Calculator + How to make a bil per week

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Eve Tycoon II
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-05-28 09:57:40 UTC
tsuggerpuppe wrote:

Why is he calculating with different decryptors if I check and use outsourced BPCs or not? I have just checked Hulk for example and I am a little bit confused. Usually ship bpcs can be single copy one, correct? No need to have a full run copy. So where is the difference, that is justifying a different decryptor?


When you select outsourced BPCs the copy time is taken out of the equation, which can change the overall result, for example if the copy time is very long it might be worthwhile to either use single run copies or use a large run number decryptor to offset that.

Ishina Fel wrote:

While playing around, I noticed something odd with ME levels. I remember reading in some guide that you calculate the ideal ME level of a blueprint by taking the highest item quantity from the material bill, dividing it by 5, and rounding down. However, when I go to your Manufacturing calculator and toy with the ME levels of the input blueprints, the results don't follow that rule.

This is just a rule of a thumb. Every bpo is different, some have no ME effect at all (nanite paste, pos towers etc). And yes, you are correct, perfect ME for fuel blocks is 40. Check here.
Govind
Parity Labs
#122 - 2012-05-31 15:55:25 UTC
Excellent tool, I just have a few suggestions.

  • A a manual-mode where we can play with what decryptor (if any) is used for invention.

  • A way to select if we intend to build or buy the component parts (rather than optimized selection).

  • A shopping list so that when you are building the components you get total numbers of each advanced moon product that you need to complete the build.

  • The expected profit per successful invention (still factoring in expected costs from failed invention) rather than just per-hour.

  • Make the price fields editable (and/or add an export to CSV function so we can play with it in Excel).

Part of my motivation to be able to have more manual control over this is to better optimize for my own playstyle as opposed to theoretical optimals. For instance, I am typically going to ignore PE bonuses from decryptors and frequently build-times in general. My priorities are more often than not to optimize the time I spend while playing rather than real-time. If a job takes 6 days instead of 5 then to me that is just an extra day where I only need to pop in to check on things.
Kahylan
Hapax Entropia
#123 - 2012-05-31 21:03:06 UTC
Great tool. But one thing that's missing is the sales tax.
Opaque Intent
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-06-04 06:43:58 UTC
Manufacturing database not updated with inferno items?
Opaque Intent
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-07-13 10:09:11 UTC
Nice to see the site up again.

The Totals section seems off for blueprints that produce more than a single unit per run (like ammo)
Exzyz Aurilen
Shpoople
#126 - 2012-07-14 12:59:43 UTC
Thanks alot this is really helpful.
Sophara Hekki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-07-23 16:14:28 UTC
Very Helpful.

Any chance of adding other trade hubs like Amarr or Rens.
JonnyRandom
#128 - 2012-08-11 02:42:14 UTC
Hi I was looking at the site and it's very good but a few questions... sorry if they sound very nooby...

There is a search for Invention and a search for Manufacturing, but the data in both for the same item seems to be different... the isk/perhour and the sales volume ratios are different....

Also for invention, the final calculation of isk/hour, I'm assuming this is per 1 production line?
And also, how come when you search, it shows a much larger profit per hour number than when you click on the item and it gives you total?
Elmo Zumwalt
Elmo's Roughnecks
#129 - 2012-08-17 16:15:38 UTC
Sorry if this has been asked before, but does the number for invention cost at the bottom include the success chance related to invention?
Bruce Blacky
Blacky Invention Research Development YinYang
#130 - 2012-08-17 17:49:34 UTC
looks realy good and i like it (liekd the OP).

But since inferno 1.2, you need to update a couple BPOs and the rules for ME and manufacturing costs.

see details in my post here

I definately will use your tool in the future thanks a lot for it.

cheers
BB
Alison Light
Mercenary Intentions
#131 - 2012-08-30 11:49:50 UTC
How do you calculate the prices for your tool ?
Hans Arienth
Hanson Heavy Industries
#132 - 2012-08-30 20:40:04 UTC
I believe the prices are calculated by manually pulling from market data websites like EVE Central.

However, it appears the website prices haven't been updated for a LONG time now so currently the website is not usable for estimating product profitability.
Alison Light
Mercenary Intentions
#133 - 2012-08-31 10:30:06 UTC
Hans Arienth wrote:
I believe the prices are calculated by manually pulling from market data websites like EVE Central.

However, it appears the website prices haven't been updated for a LONG time now so currently the website is not usable for estimating product profitability.


Yeah, it seems to be an on-going problem. Which is a shame.

OP - is there anything others can contribute to your project? Perhaps to write some more code, or assist you in automating the market data?
num1 producer
Perkone
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-09-05 07:11:33 UTC
Awesome website man kudos \o/ Big smile

idk if other people have experienced this or its being fixed but i cant put in bpos/bpcs with negative me or pe.
Suni Khan
#135 - 2012-09-05 10:26:44 UTC
num1 producer wrote:
Awesome website man kudos \o/ Big smile

idk if other people have experienced this or its being fixed but i cant put in bpos/bpcs with negative me or pe.


stop right here.

stop using this site. and I warm anyone using this site.

Prices have not been updated for MONTHS. anything this site will tell you will be from months ago. Everything on the eve market had changed in that time and nothing on this site is even close to accurate anymore.


Use Eve Isk per Hour tool instead. it is a great tool.
Suni Khan
#136 - 2012-09-05 10:28:08 UTC
Hans Arienth wrote:
I believe the prices are calculated by manually pulling from market data websites like EVE Central.

However, it appears the website prices haven't been updated for a LONG time now so currently the website is not usable for estimating product profitability.


prices are manually pulled from the eve API. CCP does not allow this to be automated so it wont be. the OP and site maker has probably quit this project and/or left eve.
Fliewatuet
Angelus dos Business
#137 - 2012-09-06 11:54:34 UTC
Suni Khan wrote:
prices are manually pulled from the eve API. CCP does not allow this to be automated so it wont be. the OP and site maker has probably quit this project and/or left eve.


Sorry for pointing that out but thats quite a stupid comment. CCP does not allow automated (i.e. scripting) interaction with the game client. Thats it. Automated retrieval of current prices has nothing whatsoever to do with the game client. You should already be aware that there are and have been for years people who came up with quite a few ideas how to get at prices without automating any interactions necessary in the game client.

There are also countless programs and webpages around who retrieve their item prices from two or three collection point databases via API like eve-central.com and similar sites. I'm certain that most of those programs aren't even available for public usage. After all, if you put in a lot of work to get your computer to do the math and generate a list of items most profitable to build on your personal preferences (i.e. isk per hour, isk per click necessary, isk per day when online only from 13 to 15 and 20 to 23, etc..) why would you offer others the chance to compete with you? ;-)

Anyway, in this case everyone is talking about retrieval of price information of those databases. And since you obviously do not know how those are staying relatively up to date on their data may this be your homework: find out how they do what they do without violating CCP rules before posting another word about CCP rule violations on forum. ;)
Suni Khan
#138 - 2012-09-08 09:35:21 UTC
Maybe you should read everything that was said in this thread instead of going fully ape **** on me.

Eve Tycoon II wrote:
Perfect timing Suni, it was updated as you posted. Im pretty busy irl currently so the frequency has dropped Sad.

Fully automatic dump straight from eve would break the EULA, so the only option is to integrate with other price site.

Right now the database still has the old names, I will hold on with updating it until the Great Renaming (I fell old uing this reference....Blink) is complete.





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Perkone
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-10-24 08:53:36 UTC
This website is only good for historical prices and hasn't been updated for at least 3 months
Daddy LovesU
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2012-10-27 02:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Daddy LovesU
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