Jita Park Speakers Corner

you need pve in this game. the pve is the basic for teh ships 7mods for pvp. no pve equals to no pvp and vice versa

I don't even... situational awareness fail.

Maybe your alliance, maybe even some that have been around since the dawn of time, but not most.

All I see is record numbers for WH ISK kills month on month, daily skirmishes and ratting capital ganks, w-space pilots becoming more and more adventurous in harvesting null-bear tears, and the occasional :epicbattle:

Please tell us more about this stagnation, ideally with graphs and numbers and diagrams.

You really need to put a bit more thought into what your standing for:

"I plan on running to bring CCP's attention to the need for a new or improved conflict driver in w-space. As it stands right now, w-space is running the risk of stagnation due to the lack of risk to many organizations, both large and small. There have been many ideas passed around these forums for how our lives could be improved, ranging from adding another class of wormholes, changing the mechanics of certain classes, or even changing the "wandering" wormhole spawn methods. "

new or improved.....surely new AND improved would be a better way forward, dont see stagnation as the issue, what WHers need is new blood coming into WHs, with new conflict drivers we would get that, however the existing drivers need improvements else there is the risk of them being ignored

"There are always going to be different views on what our community as a whole needs to expand and flourish, and many of them are good ideas. We, as a community need to band together, and push these issues to the forefront, so that we no longer take a back seat to null sec politics, and the endless leveraging of massive alliances and power blocs."

Who in WH really gives a rats arse about null-sec or low sec, I'm pretty sure they dont give a damn about WHers however until such time as WH community outnumbers the 0.0 powerblocs they will carry on getting more seats on the CSM so a sense of realism would be nice.

"In addition, I feel that CCP cannot abandon their proposed POS redesign, it has the ability to fix so many problems in many different aspects of the game. Even if we do not receive the entire modular POS system that has been proposed so many times in the past, a rebalancing pass over the current POS modules and structures could easily alleviate a lot of our current issues with access and ease of use. As a bonus, if done well, it could potentially improve gameplay across all areas of EVE."

Flog dead horses much, but quick question on what "rebalancing pass over the current POS modules and structures ", what rebalancing are you reffering to, or are you trying to talk about updating the interface for POSes in general

"I feel that if CCP went through and touched up the anchorable modules for towers, such as the intensive refining array, it could act as a boon to low sec and null sec industry, which is a goal that they have spoken of many times in the past."

"touched up the anchorable modules for towers", again clairty is needed, touchup in terms of artwork or interface

"We need a CSM who isn't afraid to fight the good fight, and push CCP towards something that is better for everyone in all aspects of the game. "

One of the biggest errors CCP have admitted is that not all their dept view the CSMs as stakeholders and appear to have promised to correct that, is this a valid point on which to stand for CSM on

"Whether you're a C6 PvPer, or a C1 industrialist, or anywhere in between, this is the time when we as a community can make our voices heard."

Yes we do, but one who is clear in what they are standing for, not the "we want loot pintas seiges" or the "I'll rehash current hot topics to get voted on" type of CSM, my votes will go to someone who is consise in what they will do for us (the royal 'WH community' us)

Wow this got off topic fast! I talk to Cip often, and I hear what he's saying and what he wants to do. Simply put, he's looking to represent the wormhole community, not foster his personal beliefs upon the masses. The problem is - you all haven't told him what you're looking for yet. So for now, he's got his own ideas as to where improvments or rebalancing should take place. I do too, but you don't wanna hear mine ;)

This isn't an election where 5 guys stand up and state their goals, and you pick the one that most likely matches up with your own ideas, or the one you can identify with. This is a community representative position. That means representing the community.

So you're all asking the wrong questions. Instead, stand up and state with a clear argument what you'd like to see, spelled out as plainly as possible, then let him collect this stuff and start discussing it with the community to get their preferences.

I'm supporting Cipreh not cause he's a sexy *****, but because he has the longevity and experience in this community to be a solid voice for us. He understands where we've come from, and where we are today. He also listens. When I come up with a hair brained half asses scheme to do, he'll listen to it no matter how redonculous it is, and even offer comment. I would much rather support someone who's going to take everything into account, not cause hes gonna pursue a plan or policy that supports him personally. Get over it, it's not always about that.

I have been taking my time to read every post in this thread, and every eve-mail sent to me. I have accepted every conversation sent my way and considered long and hard, all of the thoughts, issues, and ideas of the community that have been brought to my attention.

My job as your CSM is to give each and every one of you a voice within the CSM, and tell CCP exactly how we, the community feel on the important issues in EVE, as well as w-space in particular.

EVE is entirely about 'Risk Vs. Reward', and in w-space more so then anywhere else, there are huge profits to be made at great personal risk. Many, if not all w-space dwellers have lists of things we all feel are needed to make our areas of the game better. Whether it is refitting strategic cruisers at towers, the need for an increased draw to get more people living in wormholes, or the horribly broken current iteration of Starbases.

Touching briefly on the current POS system, there are a lot of ways to improve it, but the base of the problem can be broken down to the permissions and access system. It is dangerous for corporate security at best and a downright nightmare at worse, raising the bar of entry for new corps in all areas of w-space to heights beyond the reach of all but a select few.

We, as a community, must raise the points that give CCP their 'Eureka!' moment. Wormhole space is a tight knit, vocal community who cares deeply for the future of EVE and specifically our corner of the universe. Together we can bring w-space into its golden age.

So please, continue with your feedback, tell me your thoughts and ideas, and above all, don't feed the trolls. Ideas like more wormholes with multiple statics and ways to make wormhole space more habitable are what we need to breath new life into wormhole space.

Thank you all for your ideas and messages, I will continue reading every post, and answering as many questions as I can.

Therein lies the rub.

If someone wants to represent the WH community, they need to be in touch with community -and it hasn't escaped me that he's changed tack on this thread to try and do that. However, unless I missed it, Cipreh has not clarified his view on the stagnation of the WH environment. Infact, several people has made suggestions to the contrary and I myself not only share that view, I would go as far as to say that on the whole, things seem to be improving.

With that in mind, I'm more inclined to look for an alternative than someone who hasn't explained his own manefesto.

I have a longer post in mind for this subject, but in the meantime, let me just say that a fix to off grid boosting would probably provide some of the balance CCP is looking for. I personally feel that the strategic cruiser rebalance is further off then most people expect, but if it happens, it's something that is going to have to be handled very carefully and gradually.

The strategic cruisers popularity and use is tied to the habitability of wormhole space in such a unique manner, that any changes to the ships risk far reaching effects like driving people out wormhole space, and possibly upsetting the overall economic health of the game.

It sounds like W-space is both risky to live in, and possible to secure. Isn't this the ideal situation?

The structure grind is the only real difficulty, and in C1-C4 systems this is due mostly to ECM; hopefully we can all agree this needs to be rebalanced for POSes, which affects everyone, not just W-space. Those capitals you lament are permanently stuck in whatever system they are built in, so there's a huge trade-off there as well. Eliminate the insurance payout for self destructs, and it's almost a pure loss to build one unless you can sell it to a new resident. ISK and mineral sinks are good.


This. While W-space goo prices have been plummeting, with the C5/C6 gases taking the latest nose-dive likely thanks to the Venture, W-space is still mostly quiet. Those living there are just more efficient (again, see Venture for recent example). To drive conflicts, an increased number of short-lived random wormholes that prioritize active systems over inactive systems, linking all W-space classes to all other W-space classes might be one of the more effective ideas proposed so far. This will also potentially open short-lived logistics exits as well. I'm still on the fence about pushing for this, since it runs the risk of unintended "fixes" to other areas of W-space.

I think the wkills.info stats page shows there are increasing numbers of W-space kills as we break records constantly, so that is also a good trend.

But as it stands, the watchful and cautious bear or predator tends to be more successful over those who throw caution to the wind. Effort should be rewarded, so this should remain the way it is. If the watchful bear sees a new connection open into his system while he's plexing, he'll treat it like he does now: run and hide. The bear who is not as vigilant will die. More connections means more chances to catch people unaware, which means more explosions.


Are you going to kick AHARM, or Exhale, or Transmission Lost, etc. out of their home fortress systems? No, probably not. Is it possible? Yes, it's just ugly. But if you take away what makes it possible for the big fish to reinforce their homes, you also take away what makes it possible for the small fish to have a chance to survive against the random roaming gang. It MAY be possible to come up with something that fixes one situation while preserving the other, but then it has to actually be implemented, and, well, CCP.

Even though you won't kick them out of their homes, can you throw mud in their eyes in their home systems? Absolutely! Rooks and Kings has done it to AHARM, Exhale has done it to Transmission Lost, and countless others have done it to yet countless more. That's what it's about: not kicking the big fish out of the pond, but getting the fights and the explosions. The big fish will experience their own problems, and move around, become restless, etc.

If you feel too protected or too sheltered, or if you feel that your alliance membership or associations make people shy away from engaging you (as is the case with some better-known brands), strike out on your own and be an unknown for a while.

You highly overestimate our attention span.

1. Great opinion. I just disagree with it.
2. I already explained why I support him. I could care less about most changes that might take place. I will adapt, as will everyone else.
3. If you want elections to be about aligning with a candidate's stated views, you can go do that. Then don't complain when that candidate is for something you don't agree with. Accept them as they are, or pick someone to fight the battles you want to see fought.

Someone said something about feeling jaded after the last election. Two Step isn't a bad CSM, but he has goals and a direction that clearly facilitate putting pressure on corps to step into C5's and C6's, while making it more difficult to be in a lower class wormhole. Class warfare? lol nice pun, eh? However, it's understandable that he would want to see changes that would benefit his corp and alliance. Cipreh is looking to represent not just one class of dwellers, but all. And after hearing his approach, I would support that over someone who's working solely for their one corp or alliance. Why? Because even if he is a part of LOST, we operate in all WH space, so taking an approach towards one class or another will always affect some part of this alliance in a positive way, and some in a negative way. That neutral situation we have is rather unique, and we see all sides of the gameplay, so focusing on changing this, or that will always have both effects on us. So if Cip were to be pushing a pre-defined agenda, he'd be both agitating part of his alliance, and helping another.

A guy that can balance that in the face of his peers is a guy I can support. He's willing to stand up for what the community wants, because no matter what he does specifically towards this balancing, etc., there's going to be some benefit but also some detriment to us in the end.