Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Also nat, you need to remember that not everyone wants "war". Some people just want to play the game, explore and relax. Giving highsec more reasons to go to war is just crazy, I mean we finally got highsec where it needs to be justice wise after retribution.

Now pirates suffer consequences for illegal action, and although I agree with you that something needs to be done, what you are suggesting will eventually lead to another type of piracy, Economical, and Industrial terrorism perpetrated on the residents of highsec by griefers and pvp Alliances if not null sec corps.

For no other reason then to read Carebear tear threads about how they can no longer aford to refine or dock at stations in highsec, or hear carebears bitching and moaning in local.

And why? Well.... Why do nullsec alliances take every system they can with no other reasons and no use for it and then ROFL stomp anyone smaller then them who even remotely shows an interest in Soving it, but:

Because they can.

1. I agree that control over space motivates people to gain power and interact more with their surroundings.
2. The problem though is that Control, is Influence. Without control which makes a difference it's simply an Illusion.
3. Yea having a station with your alliance and corp name printed on it is an awesome feeling.
4. Yes if I had th resources and people and pvp pilots you better believe I'd try and take one (In lowsec). BUT honestly I'd rather just deploy my own in some BFE lowsec system then try and take one from someone, then defend it because it really would be "MINE or My corps or my Alliances"....
5. According tot he minuets CCP is working on more Null content.

Like I said in the begining I have no issue over all with your concept and Idea, the Issue I have is with what side effects could occur. Like with 0.0 Sov, Large Null Alliances don't take space because they need it, They take it because they "Can". And no other reason. Highsec station will be exactly the same, Griefers and PvP Aliances will take it because "they can" and for no other reason.

Not a single Industrial corp which would make REAL use of this system would ever own a station. Because most of the hardcore Indy corps Don't pvp. And they couldn't handle the wardecs, it would interrupt there mining abilities and income. So they would never even bother with this gameplay, and the entire point of it would serve no point except to give the PvPers something else to fight over.

I would honestly rather high sec be able to deply their own. The the stuff they talked about being possible with the PoS revamp could have made that possible. But, that may never happen.

The stuff to do the station control is in the game though, it's not really something I think they would have to make drastic overhauls for. Plus null corps have been asking for better station control tools, and that would be an excellent stepping stone into high sec station control.

Combine a healthy dose of smart balancing, as well as content in null that actually supports the people who want to live in the space, and I really do not think they you'd have to worry about null overrunning high sec.

Now, I can absolutely see null entities using their financial power to support high sec entitites who's motives align with there's. But then, we already do this, but with no formal structure.


To be very honest, the thing that I would be most concerned with woudn't be whether or not null was taking a part in some way, but if null players abandoning null sec in favor of high sec for the purpose of playing with station control because it's more enjoyable than null sov. Balance would have to be done to ensure that people still want to play in null.

As well, the kind of fights you would end up with in high sec would be exactly the kind of fights that a lot of people are complaining about not being able to find. None super, non captial, non titan, no bridges, no cynos, not hotdrops. Nothing but subcap fleets duking it out in a system, and having to be staged locally because you can't use bridges in high sec to move large fleets around quickly High sec corporations already have a fighting wing waiting in reserve, all the people who keep complaining about not being able to find gang fights without worrying about someone hotdropping a fleet of supers on them.

Think about that. No capitals, no supers, no titans. No jump bridge or cyno networks.
No titan briding is a huge limitter. Conflicts should work out to be really locally based in high sec, becaue there's no way to move a large fleet around high sec without going gate to gate. Go to far to harass someones station, or try and take to much, and you're going to have a hard time holding it all because you won't have the mechanics that allow for large empire growth in null, briding.

CCP gave null titan briding so they could move arund easily and grow.
That wouldn't exist in a high sec station control system.

It would generate a lot fo "good fights" that people are always complaining they can't find. And the only people that have to worry about it are those that choose to. Afterall, we all agree to accept the risk of a wardec when we join or form a player corp.

And that's a big part of what I want to get across.

Station control in high sec, done right, would touch on a really wide viarety of gameplay styles, and mechanics. Pretty much every area of EVE could benefit from tweeks and fixes that could come out of giving high sec player corps control of stations in high sec.

And a lot of those things would be things that people have been asking for.

Perhaps a more fitting theme would be "corporate empowerment." As I really think this should come with improvements on null system upgrades. So that null corps can put meaningful content in there system.

I threw this out in another thread. Same basic principle as the GW2 caravans in WvW; minus having to follow something around.

I even have an idea on a way to spur boarder conflcts using this. Having the "embassy" within range of a non ally sytem would cause the rats in their system to spawn less; if ignored, they eventually just stop spawning. They would have to come to your system and attack your "blue" NPC's or destroy the "embassy" to correct the situation in their space.


I want a better EVE, I have no desire to exploit anyone in high sec.
I spend way to much time thinking about this silly game, figure I'd share some of those thoughts.

I'm aware.

I believe that CCP has the means to do this kind of stuff properly.

A few years ago, something like station control just wouldn't have been feasible.
You had to tell CCP in advance if there was going to be a large engagement in a null system, so they could reinforce the server ahead of time. They've done a lot of work to allow them to not have to do that. TiDi was partially developed for this reason. Edit for clarity: I believe they still ask for advanced notice if there's going to a really large event, but the idea was to not have to tell them everytime there might be 600 guys fighting in a system. They want us to be able to have more spontaneous fights without the need to have them reinforce nodes beforehand.

Today CCP has tools to do things that would have been to large a burden a few years ago, as well as a decades worth of information on the way that people utilize tools and interact with each other.



I really think that the thing that would have to be worried about most will be server performance. Have they reached a point where we can have a few hundred people engaged in corporate fighting, in a multitude of systems throughout EVE?

I think they have.

I agree with you.

The only impact I'd want on you is, do you continue to support who owns the station by doing work in it, do you move to the system next door because they have cheaper production lines, or bounty the hell out of the corp who just took the station and increased production line cost by an additional 500 per hour.

The thing that would change most would be that the stations wouldn't be static. Station A may not always have 100% refine, and station B not always have production lines that cost 1000/ 333. Those condititions would change based on player activity.

If a player corporation wants to set prices up so that NPC corp industrialists are just as good at production and refining as all of it's members, that's.

My issue really boils down to, in the current system it's not a players choice. Mechanics say, do this because it's the most effective and efficient way of doing it. The "this" is, stay in the NPC corp, go to that station that always has the best refine rate and never changes, produce in a station that has the best line costs and never changes.

Instead of CCP making a change that would just arbitrarily make one group not as good, I'd rather a solution that allows for the player run corps in high sec to decide the outcome, and for other player run corps to disagree and be able to use the tools we currently have, knowing that it won't be a wasted effort. If that corp they disagree with doesn't undock, if the members drop corp, or if the corporation disbands, they'll lose control of something.

Bump, because of others reposting their trash as another thread

I'd also like to see a Dev's thought on the matter

ppl not wanting to pvp in a pvp game will leave? i doubt the game will miss them.

actually i took your meaning for PvP in the exact same way. even mining is PvP to me. which is why when u say:


i mean ppl who don't want to even compete at mining, trading, exploration, combat AND all the other forms of competition in this game.

if ur not here to try and compete/succeed more than the other guy, then what are u doing here? and no, i doubt they'll be missed, even by CCP. wheres that quote:

"I think we’re just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that it’s okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer

i dnt mean u specifically are PvP averse, or that this quote is directed toward anything were discussing right now. i'm merely showing that CCP seem to have a desired clientele and aren't about making everyone happy for the sake of subscription money. if anything, getting the wrong ppl out of the game improves the experience for the desired clientele and attracts more like minded people.

as to whoever the wrong or right subscribers are however, i can only offer my opinion ^^