Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Given the sheer volume of active Caldari POS's making it extremely difficult to find an empty space around a highsec moon, I find that difficult to believe.

Let me say this for you again.

CCP's "idea" for improving high sec industry, is to MOVE T2 PRODUCTION TO .7 AND LOWER SYSTEMS.
Think abou that.

They already identified that the NPC corps are producing the bulk of T2 goods, and it's having a great impact on the rest of EVE, because they can not be impacted back.


They asked "how can we improve high sec wardecs"
They identified that high sec wardecs are only used to generate legal targets for the sake of PvP, and in that regard they have little meaning.


Things ARE GOING TO CHANGE.
You can either ask CCP to put those changes in to YOUR HANDS, like I'm doing, or you can keep argueing that the NPC corps aren't a problem and then CCP will make a change that WILL amount to a NERF TO NPC CORPS.


I DO NOT WANT THE NPC CORPS TO BE NERFED.
I DO NOT WANT THE NPC CORP INDUSTRIALIST TO NOT BE ABLE TO PRODUCT T2 GOODS. Which some people wil be squeezed out if they moved T2 production to .7 and lower systems.

Not everyone wants to play in low and null.
Not everyone wants to play in a player run corporation.

I'd rather YOU have a station to run that the NPC corp guy has to use to do advanced production, and were you can provide a place for your members to be BETTER INDUSTRIALIST THAN THE NPC CORP GUYS.

I do not play in high sec.
I do not have any desire to play in high sec.
I have an NPC alt industrialist, my changes would infact effect me as well as YOU.

My NPC alt is BETTER AT INDUSTRY than the guy I'm posting. That is a FACT. I do not put my alt in a corp because it doesn't benefit me in any way. That is a problem.

Do not go down the line of "I just want things handed to me." That's bullshit.
I want YOU to have CONTROL of the space you live in so that you have something FIGHT FOR, and an advantage over the NPC industrialist.


You're not even attempting to tell me how high sec player run corporations being better at industry than the NPC corp would be overpowered, unbalanced, or generally bad for the game.

You keep going on about James315 who doesn't have anything to do with anything I'm writing, but would in fact gain REAL ABILITY to CONTRL a system. Not just "say" he does, and then gank people who don't pay him.



The bulk of T2 PRODUCTION is happening in NPC stations in high sec.
Datacores are coming from NPC agents.
T2 BPC and research is a moot point, it doesn't really matter where the bulk of them come from. The PoS's aren't available to to the majority of players. I don't care where the T2 BPC come from, I care were they get built and who builds them.


Do you not see anything wrong with high sec industry? That's the impression I'm getting, you think there is nothing wrong.
CCP does.

Why would it be bad for a high sec corp to get the same kind of station control that null does? If those stations can't lock anyone out?

PS: Never have I said anything about anyone NOT being able to use a player run station. EVERYONE should be able to, your members should beenefit from cheaper line costrs and refine rates. JUST LIKE THEY DO IN YOUR POS. It already exist, just in a very small scale that has no impact and revolves around exlusive content.

Im all for Player corps owning a station in Highsec, Absolutely.

Natsett Amuinn

Thanks, first off, either quate a CCP please, or dont speak as you are or know what a CCP want, its sort of rude debate tactic, thank you...

Iwe had a few thought on this, and your pointing to the one thing "wardecs" many like me, and why we stay in NPC corps, i dont want to be a shoot em up game, and iwe heard many alike saying the same... you are inderectly trying to force a mechaic down upon me and others that think alike, the moment that happens, i will thank CCP for a good game and i will leave... simple couse my money is not valued as much as other players, and at that point i cant for example play something that CCP them self advertice http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/planetary-industrialist/ you tell me what in that suggest i have to fight ? ... also is their advertising of http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Highsec wardeccing isnt even mentioned there... and the main point is that its far to easy to wardec, cost far to little, and it kill new players ability to grow or ewen for new corp and get into the challage of eve, EVE needs more players and competivnes against new games, then you trying to make big corps even more powerfull... but i will not just be uncreative, i will give to you that there is something to what you say, so ill work with you, maybe my newb powers can come up with something ;P

First off, allow all corpses to bribe concord, though this should only affect high sec and whats happens in high sec, a normal player run corps can choose to pay or not to pay, raise the tax abit and or maybe affect how it affects income... this will ewen the playfield for all, people can start form corps, find other that want the relatve safety of highsec, or like me that stays in NPC corps CAS not only for the "safety" but also for the social aspects, thats the most important thing for me, CAS works, lots of older helpfull people that make things happen, as a goon, you probably know exactly how active CAS is, as we actually run things in null from time to time... so, if this happens, we level the play field, but we also need to fix what you point to...

Placing industry, protecting industry, and keeping your industry going, my reasoning is this, Highsec is just that, a relative stability and safety, as a capsular i am to some extent free to act outside the normal laws, but this said, bombing and waring ower industrial complexes, kill people, workers, and i doubt any functioning country want that within them, simply couse it wouldent work... So why not set up some kind of contract options for 1.0 to 0.5 planets, you buy and sell rights to hold industry, that run for a month ?, three months ?... well i to some extent understand your problem once a player in a NPC corp settles you cant move her/him... so these options would be for the "sweet spots of every planet", while all other places outside these "sweet spots" would be up to grabs like now... now you create a system, where big corps can fight with money to bid against each other (maybe ewen effected by standing of faction that hold the planet)... and i as a newb carebear, can still make industry but id have to settle with the less good spots i can find here and there, also i can still live within a relative safe high sec...

*EDIT and research spots could work pretty much the same, a big portion of them rented through a bidding system, while everyone, can atleast be allowed one or two, either through corp standing... again you open up the game, but ads a exonomic warfare between corps, not to mention ISK sinks

**EDIT same goes for player owned stations, place the sweet spots in clusters, and where there is alot of sweet spots for industry, there is also spots for stations, and these slots to build is distrubiuted through options and bidding warfare... and crappy systems, have slots where little people like me can build station, but less good spots... i hope that makes sense

And lastly, Alliances of corps, i can i say i fully understand this, but it really need to change, it must get easier and less costly for small corps to form protection alliances, so they can stand up to bigger ones... or why not allow big ones like Goons be able to offer small corpse protection alliances, and in treaties like that for protection, big corp get tax, one time chunk sum, maybe a set amont of monthly minerals through contracts... but smaller corp be able to work within big corp clusters... i see so much potential dynamic here that help small corpsto grow, instead of pushing or gearing things towards the big corps...

i think that was about it, iwe had on my mind, hope it makes sense or give you some ideas, and as i pointed to earlier, Eve is a old game, it needs to focus on new players more then, giving those that have more, and you need people to learn the game in the pace they want, regardless if they carebear in highsec for along time... or as you suggest simply change eve from how its advertised, change highsec at its root, let pvp loose, let everyone wardec as they choose, but that be without me, and i estimate a rather big % of eves popuation, not to mention that most of these are small fishes ad casual players that pay a steady income to Eve... just dont try sneak change or force me, by taking things away from me, that ultimatly puts me in a corner, where i can mine and only mine, if i ewer do anything outside of that id be subject to wardecs, My money should in the end allow me to do everything in the game, exactly as you... but i choose high sec, low risk, lower gain... you choose null, more risk, more gain

CCP soundwave made the comment about moving T2 production to .7 and lower systems.
I can't tell you in what thread exactly he said it, but he did indeed say it.
It just so happens that you have to anchor a PoS in .7 and below systems. They already tried to raise the tax rate for NPC corp members to encourage people to join player run corps. The only thing this did was encourage one man corps to avoid the tax.

And that leads to an abundance of people who have no real connection to their corporations; so they disband or drop corp when there's a wardec. They will stay in the NPC corp until the war ends, or form a new corp.

There was a great deal of discrussion about high sec wardecs in the CSM minutes.

I do not want to limit you in any way, or force you to join a playe run corp.

I want player run corps to effectively be able to tax you, instead of the NPC ones. It wouldn't be any kind of a drastic change to the way you play, or what you can do.

I just want that station you're working from, to be owned by a high sec corporation. Instead of an NPC one.

And then I want CCP to combine that with THIER idea to move T2 production to .7 and lower.

You put all the industrial power in the hands of player run corporations, not the NPC ones. You give other people the ability to poke back at them for something tangible -afteral, it would benefit me to put a bounty on a corporation that is running the station in a system, producing high quantities of T2 products, and driving down the cost-.

You would still be able to do everything you're doing.

The player run, high sec corporation, needs to be tied to T2 production in a significant way that would make them RESPONCIBLE for it enough to be worth going to war with them.

I don't care how they do it, only that they do.

I can not go to war with the NPC corps, or put a bounty on them, and they control T2 production in EVE.


I do not care about the individual, I care about THE ROLE OF THE HIGH SEC CORPORATION.
High sec is all about industry. It is the industrial backbone of all of EVE, it should be that way. Just make it the result of player run corporation activity and not the NPC corps.

BUFF HIGH SEC CORPORATIONS.
Just do it in a way that is dynamic and fits EVE. High sec station control would ADD CONTENT to EVE, and be very dynamic due to wardecs.

But this is just station control.

If you can control the station overal and setting things like, line cost, and tax rates, then WHO controls the station becomes a dynamic.


I wouldn't suggest being able to destroy any station in high sec, a PoS yes, not a station.
Only flip the stations.

I want you to decide how much those lines cost, how many of them there are, and what the tax rate in that station is.

The entire thing can be balanced around the type of station it is, manufacturing, research, invention. With the station providing bonuses to you members for using that station in that capacity, and set the price for non members.

Null corps have been doing this for years, and it's worked. I see no reason why any station in .7 or below can't be structured to operate in the same fashion.

Minus the ability to say, "no, you can't build here." Which null stations allow.



EVE is about the individuals within a corporation. The NPC corps are no different. At no point are you not a member of some corporation in EVE. Systems shouldn't be deviced based on the single person, they should fucntion at a corporate level.

The guys that run the corporations need something of benefit to offer it's members. Something they can rally them around and say, "this is ours, and we're not going to let anyone take it from us."

High sec corporations have no role in the grand scheme of things. Low and null sec has no problem with that. It's time the high sec corp had a reason.

You should have joined my Indy corp, Pays everyone based on their work, Ship, and time in op. Individually. no unfair splits.

Yea, I agree that Highsec stations should be operated exactly like 0.0 stations (Lowsec ones also) as this would give me a reason to go to lowsec again where small corps and alliances can actually do things, unlike in 0.0 where it's pointless to be small as you just get steamrolled.

The only problem with this would be the large 0.0 Alliances taking over the highsec stations also. which I am 100% against.

Natsett Amuinn & Malcorian Vandsteidt

I sort of agree with Nat, here, i just dont agree with that war is a means to control the economy in highsec, it should be done with economical might, read my post #32

in the end off 70s early 80s, i cant remember, the Hunts brothers tried to control the silver market, they bought up silver, and silver skyrocketed, they tried to, but couldent keep it up, and they bankrupted themself and the market crashed... this is bascially the same, you want to control the market, you do it with ISK, what you then do with the bought up slots is up to you, but the back side is, if there is no production or research, its just a loss of isk, and you cant just keep it up in absurdum so you need to get it back in the market... you just gain control

Makes perfect sense... why i suggest this slot based economy, maybe make it more transparant who buy what slots etc... so when you track down who is dumping guns or ships in the hands of your enemies, you can check where their stationed, bid war ower the production rights there, this be a pain for them as they need to move ships, resources, blue prints, its not that easy as just "make alt" or "a new corps" they still need to buy these production slots on the market, OR build a corp station, to own their own production, and thus are subjected to wardecs, this leaves small people like me out of the equation...

I know fiarly well how things work, and as can move alot of minerals to markets where they pay best or ewen had a few corps ask me to run minerals to spots in highsec... i have one rule, i dont run resources to corps involved in wars... since the other side get rather grumpy if they found out ;P

So conclusion, what we have is a ****** system, we just need to find out away to convince CCP and also a system that gives a certain degree of protection to small players, contra bigger ones, the moment you get a "big player", its like a scaled set of rules... if that makes sense