Intergalactic Summit

You're just going to have to trust me on our intel; it's not going to be distributed outside certain CFC channels, even then in a sanitized version. Again, our belief is that these generators are quite large and immobile. While there are undoubtedly generators off the grid, so to speak, we are nearly certain some exist in Stain





Did I demand for payment up front? The only thing that is requested up front is the capital ships. We're going to need those in the campaign, as I said.



Peacekeeping in high security does not require dropping a titan on every destroyer that kills a Hulk. Also, their inability to carry out their mission stems from the fact that it's impossible; the number of hulls they have makes no difference. Note as well, I don't care who supplies the ships, I expect it will be much more from the big 4 than from CONCORD.

The next time someone says that ten trillion is a lot of ISK, I'm going to kill a puppy. It's not. I've covered this before. In fact, ten trillion is probably less than the CFC cumulative liquid ISK-at the alliance level alone. If one counted individual and corporation wallets, I'm sure that what ever number I estimated would be far too low. But if I had to put my hat on something, I would say between one hundred and one hundred fifty trillion ISK. Also, consider how much ISK CONCORD has paid out for the destruction of Nation vessels this far. I would say that ten trillion would account for a months worth of pay outs for Nation bounties and for the elimination of the so-called incursions.

For the last time. Ten trillion ISK is not a lot.



When entities lose their space, it is always a demoralizing blow. No matter how much they clamor that they "didn't want that space anyways." Kuvakei is just a man and a narcissistic, egomaniacal one at that. I never said that taking and destroying Stain would be the end of Nation, but it would be a damn fine start. Stain is where they have the most established infrastructure: stations and assembly plants and the like. It's destruction would yield the additional information that we need to track down and kill the rest of them



I have negotiated things for Mittens before. It's been said his favorite fetish is delegation. The GSF Illum are a busy bunch of people. I however, when I am not murdering everyone in CCP that I can find, have plenty of free time on my hands. If/when CONCORD comes to the table, I will brief the appropriate people.



Nothing is certain in war. However, I can be certain that doing nothing (which seems to be the present state of affairs) is not the solution. And if you don't see how the destruction of Nation benefits everyone in the cluster, I can't help you.

Let me share something personal here. The other week, my darling wife broached the subject of children. I'll be honest; even as powerful and well situated as I am, I still stay awake at night struggling with the concept of bringing a life into this world. If I am going to have a daughter, I want the cluster to be a much better place than it is now. A good first step would be the elimination of Nation. I would commit to this undertaking for free. If it were up to me, I would aim as much firepower in the direction of Kuvakei as I could. But, it's not up to me. I just have access and and a tiny bit of influence. If someone is going to get a bunch of Goons and our allies to stop being lazy and invade Stain, they are going to have to be given a reason, an incentive. That's why I asked for the anit-cloaking technology. With that as an incentive, we'd every SIG would have recall orders inside an hour and deployment orders would be cut a few hours after that.

Alizabeth Vea

Iwe been reading you proposal, and as many say insanity and genius walks hand in hand... now that said, im not going to critise you, i actually think your propsal is interesting, not in its form it is now, but what we could make off it... if i understand Ms Vea right, she is afraid that if their orgniasation comits their fleet, what going to protect their asets, but we dont really need concord...

I dont like to take sides in conflicts, but when it comes to Sancha, its not about taking sides, its about fighting something that utterly horried, and i think all of us, Amarrians, Caldarians, Gallanteans and Minmatar alike agree, their a plague upon the eve universe... im a very small varable in the big equation, but ewen i would aid with logistical support, or the little industry capasatiy i could offer to unite... yes, why not you, yes all of us, Capsulars, why not make a meeting and discuss a treaty where we try to act where the countries we come from failed... if we unite we could make this happen, without concord... but as i said, im just a very small actor in the big picture, so i suggest the big corps sit down ad discuss how and in what way, we could unite...

And it is somewhat intriguing visulising capsulars from all ranks and sides, former enemies unite for one couse and one couse alone, to destroy a plague that lingers in our universe !

I havn't dealt much with mercenaries. Admittedly my only exposure is holo-dramas. Most likely because when I need something killed, I am able to do it myself. Or, they require an effort that would be beyond the capability of any mercenary group in New Eden. That said, in the aforementioned holo-dramas, mercenaries are sometimes given specialized equipment they need to complete the mission hired for by the hiring party. In this case that would be CONCORD and the big four.

Now, let me ask you a question. Suppose I want you to gank all the ice miners in Gallente space. I provide you and your cohorts with one thousand destroyers, fitted and loaded with ammo. As further part of the contract, I stipulate that when oxygen isotopes reach a certain cost on the Jita market you will get a huge sum of ISK. Say, ten billion ISK. Of course, you can take the ships and run, but it's more profitable to complete the mission at hand and get the payment.

The anti-cloaking tech BPO would be worth more than all the supercapitals we would have been given. We would be in the sole position to manufacture and profit off this tech and would mark up the price to levels than would make a booster dealer jealous. I could easily see that being worth one hundred trillion in the course of a year.

Greed is a powerful motivator; don't underestimate it.

Bravo for your well written and insightful post.

Pandemic Legion received a number of supercapitals and (not totally sure on this number) around a trillion ISK to assist in the DRF conquest of the north. Since the conquest of Nation would be several magnitudes more difficult than wiping of a complacent Northern Coalition, I asked for more.



There are a couple of rebuttals to that argument, one of which will not be made public. As for the other: no one wants to help Kuvakei. Nation goes against everything that Goons stand for. The Mittani making a deal with Kuvakei is as likely as Ava Starfire converting to the Amarr faith and enslaving Minmatars. It's just not going to happen.

No one in Goons want to help Kuvakei. I could have worded that better.
And, badmouthing blues on a public forum is bad form.

You haven't been seeing the same CFC posts as I have, apparently. The goons, for all their other faults, do not have a "You do not talk back to Goonswarm" policy.

You know, I want to say that you're batshit crazy... but what's the worst they can say? No?

It brings you back to the status quo of not having these things, and getting publicity (aka, ego stroking). I'd say that's a net win regardless.

Actually, I was pretty sure they would say no. I did hope they would come up with something productive against Nation though.



There are certain FCs in the CFC that have perfected losing fleets to bombers. Of course, that's all our enemies can really do to us. Since to stand up to the CFC battlefleets and slug it out with ships of the line is to invite total destruction.