EVE General Discussion

Talking to oneself in the mirror is never as much fun as talking with other people. Yes, you CAN do that while soloing, but there's a difference between someone taking an active interest in you and teaching you how to run a better PI doing full tier2 on one planet versus looking up how to make a starter PI online.

Generally that sort of interest and time doesn't happen in rookie help or local.

But your CEO would definitely be wanting to help and share experiences, even be able to introduce something fun that you haven't thought of, based on fleeting and roaming and working together.

As it is, if corp life is not for you, then it isn't. But you can't refute the benefits of a corp.

Think of the ship as a corp then. Not the pilot.

My sig describes my PoV on this matter..

Do not confuse "Playing Solo" with "Unaffiliated with a Player Corporation". Lots of people have Scout and/or Transport characters, that stay in NPC Corps for various reason, to help their "Main".

Brings up another funny point. This game isn't about alts or mains, but about pilots fulfilling certain roles.

In a game that frowns upon multiboxing, and encourages a need before greed system, having a "main" decided upon becomes important.

In Eve, it's just about having a "cap pilot" or "industrialist" or a "scout".

Who cares which is used more?

If CCP really wants to encourage players to play together, I would think that they’d make missions that are for fleet members only and make missions rewards scale with the size of the fleet. This would help players create some solidarity amongst each other and also learn each other’s playing habits. Maybe make missions that require certain roles like ECM, EWAR, tackling, booster…

Most corps that I’ve been in that are based in hi-sec fall apart due to people doing their own thing in high-sec. If you can do level 4 missions solo, why would you split your LP, ISK and faction standings with someone else? It ends up being a bunch of people playing solo in a corporation or alliance… maybe talking on TS or typing in alliance…

Do more rats spawn in null with more pilots in the area? Does scanning down a site and completing it in a fleet give more rewards? Do wormholes become more dangerous with bigger fleets?

I know, no one cares about solo players, care bears and missioners… Plus, there are already fleet (booster) bonuses in place for miners and all other aspects of combat.

In WoW you have a handful of developers, who insist on making so many changes so often to classes and talent specifications, that you inevitably end up having to relearn your class periodically, and with a different mechanically playing character than the one you originally invested it.

As an extremely hardcore veteran of WoW with achievements across the board to reflect it, I left because of that, and I came here. The "cook", Ghostcrawler, told us to leave if we did not like his "cooking". I and many others did as he suggested.

I am a new player here, only in the game since about 5 weeks ago. I did have the good fortune to join a good corp early on, which speaks well of its willingness to be a mentor to a brand new player. I hope in time to prove to have been a good investment.

I post from that perspective. I like the daunting learning curve this game presents, and I expect to be here for the forseeable future. I already have a second account.

But the learning curve and entry level of this game makes the gap between truly new and veteran players amazingly wide. That high barrier is more daunting and mentally demanding imho than the entry barriers in WoW. In fact, one reason for so many solo players here may be that very barrier, and that by the time you become attractive to most corporations, you are already set in your solo playstyle.

I would not want the game to be simplified. But I suggest that finding more ways to get new players integrated into the game faster, and of more value to good corporations quicker, would be good for the game.

Actually, I've done level 5 with my last corp. The one thing that adds to this is that most if not all level 5 missions are in low sec making you sort of finding a happy medium between mission boats and PVP boats or have a crew flying security. The risk versus reward doesn’t always work out for small gangs.

But even with level 5 missions, the actual mission and rewards do not scale. If they are giving 15K LP, then that LP is split amongst all the pilots in the fleet; whether it’s 2 players or 8.

I steal from myself all the time. Nobody else trusts me enough >.>

CCP is doing that, not because it's needed, but because most gamers need to be hand held.

People talk a lot of crap about the Goons, but they and others like them have the right of it. They bring in new folks from outside the game. throw them in the deep end right off the bat, and BLAM, new player integrated into EVE "End Game" ie unprotected player controlled space.

While I'm grateful to my buddy who introduced me to EVE, If i'd come into the game like that rather than putting around for a year doing missions (while also playing WoW with that same buddy, he was big into that game, I only played because he did) and could have gotten to the "cool, fun" stuff WAY earlier.

I spent that year scared of anything outside of high sec, when I got into FW (which led me to the group that took me to null sec), i wanted to slap my forehead for being so timid, there is Zero to fear in null sec if you can pay attention to the computer screen you are sitting in front of lol.

EVE's massive learning curve and large gap between new player and Vet (ie person who has paid their space-dues to have what they have) are crucial to this type of game, if for no other reason it (mostly) keeps away the begging for everything "instant gratification" scrubs away from here. And easier to enter game would eventually lead to so many new people clamoring for changes to make their game-lives easier CCP would have no real business choice but to cater to them, which would be great for CCP but the end of EVE (the vets would leave, and the instant gratification crowd would eventually get bored too).