EVE General Discussion

This. Despite all that you hear about the difficulty for new players in this game, there's actually more use for them in EVE than WoW. New players can contribute to their corp even when all they have are starter ships and basic skills, because someone will always need an extra scanner/salvager/tackler/hauler versus "level up over the next month, then maybe we'll give you a spot on our raid/arena team."

This really has nothing to do with playing solo or in a gruop.

You simply gain nothing by joining a player run corp.


CCP shouldn't focus on group or solo play.
CCP does a pretty good job of focusing on BOTH group and solo play. EVE isn't a game "about grouping" it's a game about interacting.

The one area CCP has done poorly is providing real incentive to join a player run corp, where you're more likely to interact, which in turn leads to being more likely to group.


Grouping should only be a matter of providing tools that allow people who are grouped to be able to keep things organized.

Other MMO's are starting to do what EVE has done sinse day one.
Autogrouping with people playing in the same area as you. CCP doesn't need to "put you in a group" because they already give you the ability to "play with" the people around you; which is the point of the autogrouping feature MMO's are using. No, CCP doesn't autogroup, but they allow you to effectively play with or against the other people engaging in the content with you. There is no xp when you kill a mob, and you can fight for that loot if you want.



Scaleable content on the other hand would be nice. If you're in a fleet, and you enter into PvE content, that content should scale based on the fleet you're in. If you do a mission with 5 other guys, that mission should account for the 5 other guys.

That missions shouldn't explicitly require you to find 5 other guys though. Only support you should you choose to do it.

Forced grouping hasn't worked in any MMO ever.
It's a horribly unnecessary mechanic.

This is largely irrelevant in the larger context of EVE. Most corps don't own a structure that can be lost, and most people in a corp never need to worry about such things.

The majority of characters are in high sec, were there are no player owned stations and only so many corps can have a PoS. Even when the corp has a PoS, mechanics make it so that not everyone is likely going to use it anyways, nor is there any real reason to. The PoS doesn't actually make you "better" it just provides some minor conveniences in the form of not having to do certian PvE content to do other things.

The PoS is exclusive content due to the mechanics around them.
You don't even need a group to run one, consider how many people start one man corps for the purpose of, hopefully, anchoring a PoS, and then consider everything involved with running one.


It's mostly only hostile if you're not affiliated with that corp though. Deklein isn't "safe" but I don't consider it "hostile" either. The majority of people in the space are providing me protection.

The tight knit communites have more to do with real loss that can happen. Losing access to a station, and all of your belongings is a real thing that everyone in 0.0 would like to not have happen to them. So they develop tighter bonds not just to the people in the corp with them, but to the space they live in, and the structures that make it possible.

I'm not going to undock from VFK to protect VFK because the space is hostile, it's because my **** is there, and I'll be damned if I'm willing to sit back and let someone take my ****. Even as a dedicated industrialist who doesn't really enjoy the FiS mechanics all that much, you better believe you'll see my ass in system, in a ship with guns, doing whatever is asked of me to protect what I consider mine.

There's real loss in null, and I'll work with every other member of Goonwaffe to protect what is ours, because we all stand to lose something if we don't.

It has nothing to do with it being hostile, and everything to do with protecting what is ours.

but you don't have to interact with them.

Not mean to nitpick you, but a lot of SW action had Han Solo flying... solo (and others), almost all Start Trek episodes had Enterprise flying alone.

I disagree with your premises here. EvE absolutely and extremely encourages you not to play solo... but to either play in a group or BE the group.

This has always been the fatal flaw in EvE, an individual can easily outdo a small group (even in PvP, in the so called "soloing" with 4 RR alts, Falcon etc).

A multi accounter can achieve efficiency that small corps could envy. I can manage alone multiple, perfectly coordinated mining fleets, industry farms, huge PI productions (last time I checked I had 88 planets, now more). My trading alts cover all the major and some minor trading hubs, even one in 0.0. When I missioned, I had 4-5 ships doing two missions at a time.

In a WH or being a renter, being a solo multi-accounter is even better, no crap about director / hangar privileges to fear to hand out.

But if CCP nerfed this solo efficiency they'd immediately lose TONS of subs beginning with my 6 (that would realistically go down to 2) and don't even count miners dropping 8-10 subs.

So now we are stuck with true solo players getting the bone, and multiaccounters getting the good things of being in a group without the bad.

Name me one country which doesn't run its military as a socialist organisation.

Forced grouping is everywhere in WoW. Not sure if you heard of it but its the most popular MMO in the world. I am not saying its better, but it does force people to interact and that's a very important element in any MMO. It encourages people to get out there and make friends while taking part in group orientated progress.

EvE doesn't encourage interaction for the just and honorable types or those who prefer balance over chaos. There is little incentive for those smart enough to make economic empires in a solo operation without the stress of logistics or liabilities that come with running a player based corporation. As I said before, EvE is a popular choice for those who possess the pirate or predatory mentality because interaction is easy when you have a common purpose. Humans are naturally greedy and it's rare you can find people trust worthy enough to handle your currency. Especially in a game where stealing is acceptable and smiled upon by most veterans.

I doubt you care to see change because you have found comfort in one of the biggest pirate corps in EvE. You don't care to see how change in EvE would help others progress or enjoy their stay more. You only care that your pedestal stays untarnished.

But small gangs .... need to be able to take sov.

I agree with the above i have no problems are complaints with difficulty as a solo player.I would just like to see a bit more variation in game play mission running and exploration and more varation and content in systems as most are just clones of each other.If ccp continue not to listen to all the solo players then my guess is most will just unsub after a year are so, once they have done all they can do flying solo. But maybe this is the way its always been and they are replaced with a new breed of solo flyers and the cycle continues.