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Guess what? Solo players ARE the majority in EVE.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#361 - 2013-01-25 02:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Solstice Project wrote:
I'M THE MAJORITY !!


edit: sorry, i edited my post above and you responded to it before i was done.
you might want to adjust yours too. otoh, it doesn't matter.

You'll just keep proving that i'm right. That you really hate all of us and that you are far superior to any of us, because ...

... Ignorance is Strength, right ?


I don't hate anyone, especially in game. There are a lot of people I don't respect, and a lot of people I would avoid, given the opportunity, but you are trying to push the wrong buttons here. I would never loan you my lawn mower, but I don't hate you.

And, 'No.' Ignorance is bliss, not strength.Big smile
Daniel Whateley
#362 - 2013-01-25 03:36:38 UTC
just making people aware that Solo playing for eve being a majority is mostly pve, there's hardly any solo pvp going around that i've saw being solo, everyones under the impression of go with a group or die, last year on my killboard clearly states that you don't have to group up to have some fun in pvp, sure you lose more ships, but if you keep at it eventually there'll be less losses, also an alt is a good idea saves you from jumping into a not so fun 20man gank camp.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#363 - 2013-01-25 06:55:52 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

Your only failure was not using a freighter alt in an undecable NPC corp. Please, make full use of the mechanics that CCP has seen best to provide you with.


Lowsec got a lovely new toy to play with. That Venture. Slipperiest ship in EvE. If it had of gone with it's earlier iteration (3 turrets rather than 2 turrets, utility high and a 100% bonus to mining) it could of been a hilarious pvp tool. Imagine a fleet of battle badgers backed up with ventures.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#364 - 2013-01-25 07:53:10 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

Your only failure was not using a freighter alt in an undecable NPC corp. Please, make full use of the mechanics that CCP has seen best to provide you with.


Lowsec got a lovely new toy to play with. That Venture. Slipperiest ship in EvE. If it had of gone with it's earlier iteration (3 turrets rather than 2 turrets, utility high and a 100% bonus to mining) it could of been a hilarious pvp tool. Imagine a fleet of battle badgers backed up with ventures.


You should check mineral prices. The best lowsec ore provides 10% higher revenue than the best hisec ore, and there is no way you can afford to mine in lowsec for that overprice. Just the time it would take to go in and out would kill your ISK/hour to the point of futility.

As someone stated above, the only "viable" way to mine in lowsec is horribly complex and cumbersome, implying a dozen guys for weeks -and don't have any stroke of bad luck.

Of course, the average braindead response is easy to figure: "I would like to put a nerf on all hisec ores!" (read that as P.D. Gumby).

And as usual, that would kill EVE quite fast once all the people who find their sweet spot of risk/reward in hisec mining see it vanish for no good reason -and with it, any rason they had to play the game.

(BTW, hisec mining is a hazardous profession. It can leave permanent bruises on your face from falling asleep on the keyboard)

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#365 - 2013-01-25 08:09:56 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

Your only failure was not using a freighter alt in an undecable NPC corp. Please, make full use of the mechanics that CCP has seen best to provide you with.


Lowsec got a lovely new toy to play with. That Venture. Slipperiest ship in EvE. If it had of gone with it's earlier iteration (3 turrets rather than 2 turrets, utility high and a 100% bonus to mining) it could of been a hilarious pvp tool. Imagine a fleet of battle badgers backed up with ventures.


You should check mineral prices. The best lowsec ore provides 10% higher revenue than the best hisec ore, and there is no way you can afford to mine in lowsec for that overprice. Just the time it would take to go in and out would kill your ISK/hour to the point of futility.

As someone stated above, the only "viable" way to mine in lowsec is horribly complex and cumbersome, implying a dozen guys for weeks -and don't have any stroke of bad luck.

Of course, the average braindead response is easy to figure: "I would like to put a nerf on all hisec ores!" (read that as P.D. Gumby).

And as usual, that would kill EVE quite fast once all the people who find their sweet spot of risk/reward in hisec mining see it vanish for no good reason -and with it, any rason they had to play the game.

(BTW, hisec mining is a hazardous profession. It can leave permanent bruises on your face from falling asleep on the keyboard)


Your first venture is free, as is the skillbook that goes with it. The Venture isn't designed for long term mining ops - it is a ninja miner. Go out, get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back. If people come into system, dock up or safe up and turn on cloak. As long as you learn to stay aligned to your preferred method of offski you should be fine - unless they bring infinite point.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#366 - 2013-01-25 08:14:34 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
edit: woops misread that. Disregard.
Ghazu
#367 - 2013-01-25 09:02:59 UTC
Hey I am a dumb carebear and i am bad at eve, if I can't do it surely it can't be done.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#368 - 2013-01-25 09:08:53 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:

Your first venture is free, as is the skillbook that goes with it. The Venture isn't designed for long term mining ops - it is a ninja miner. Go out, get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back. If people come into system, dock up or safe up and turn on cloak. As long as you learn to stay aligned to your preferred method of offski you should be fine - unless they bring infinite point.


I am the previous post quoted "as someone above" who described low sec mining.

I will keep the description going for you: there's no "get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back" because:

1) There are no high grade ores in low sec. There are excruciantly few systems providing very, very bad low end zydrine yielding roids whose ISK/h is a non factor.

2) Not only they are excruciantly few, but they are far away from "close to hi sec". Last one I have been, not too far from an old base system we had (Esesier), was 9 jumps in low sec. In fact, in ancient times CCP designed a very smooth progression from hi sec roids to null sec, those "slightly higher grade" roids are much closer to 0.0 low sec entrances than hi sec.

3) The low sec => hi sec transition you describe poses its own problems in terms of smartbombing battleships located on some "obvious" routes, forcing additional steps like having to jump more and / or adding avoid-smartbomb gate bookmarks.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#369 - 2013-01-25 13:46:09 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


But a game that calls itself hardcore should never promote failure. Failure in eve comes at a steep cost, and that's part of what makes EVE great. It's sad that some people don't accept that.


The problem is that a failure early on drives a lot of people away.


Good, Quality of Quantity.
Quote:

Suppose you have a Trial Account and you are doing tutorials, and you get your first real frigate. You undock and have an instance of non-consensual PvP.

You've got nothing invested in the game except hopes. What incentive is there to try and find out if you could be the most successful Eve player ever, in whatever field you choose?


My Stubborn insistence on overcoming obstacles and beating the odds. You know that part of my personality that made me compatible with EVE Online. Most people are not compatible with EVE online, and they steps CCP would have to take to make more people compatible would make it suck for those of hundreds of thousands of us who DID have the patience to figure out a video game.

For some reason folks like you think more people = better. It does not, usually smaller is better.
Quote:

I'm not sure what I would have done if I had lost my first real ship on my first day in the game. They didn't have the "This Is How To Lose A Ship' tutorial then.


With all due respect, i think you are playing the wrong game.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#370 - 2013-01-25 13:49:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

Your only failure was not using a freighter alt in an undecable NPC corp. Please, make full use of the mechanics that CCP has seen best to provide you with.


I must be punished for my indiscretion

*Takes out short Samurai Sword and starts to commit hirri-kiri, then says screw it and goes to lose more frieghters*
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#371 - 2013-01-25 13:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Super spikinator wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kidding aside, The whole game is a place where people can and do fail (I know i do, like the time i auto piloted an empty frieghter to jita and went to sleep......

.....without bother to check if my alliance at the time was war-decced.......

Your only failure was not using a freighter alt in an undecable NPC corp. Please, make full use of the mechanics that CCP has seen best to provide you with.


Lowsec got a lovely new toy to play with. That Venture. Slipperiest ship in EvE. If it had of gone with it's earlier iteration (3 turrets rather than 2 turrets, utility high and a 100% bonus to mining) it could of been a hilarious pvp tool. Imagine a fleet of battle badgers backed up with ventures.


You should check mineral prices. The best lowsec ore provides 10% higher revenue than the best hisec ore, and there is no way you can afford to mine in lowsec for that overprice. Just the time it would take to go in and out would kill your ISK/hour to the point of futility.

As someone stated above, the only "viable" way to mine in lowsec is horribly complex and cumbersome, implying a dozen guys for weeks -and don't have any stroke of bad luck.

Of course, the average braindead response is easy to figure: "I would like to put a nerf on all hisec ores!" (read that as P.D. Gumby).

And as usual, that would kill EVE quite fast once all the people who find their sweet spot of risk/reward in hisec mining see it vanish for no good reason -and with it, any rason they had to play the game.

(BTW, hisec mining is a hazardous profession. It can leave permanent bruises on your face from falling asleep on the keyboard)


Your first venture is free, as is the skillbook that goes with it. The Venture isn't designed for long term mining ops - it is a ninja miner. Go out, get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back. If people come into system, dock up or safe up and turn on cloak. As long as you learn to stay aligned to your preferred method of offski you should be fine - unless they bring infinite point.


That is a waste of time. You better stay in hisec, mine scordite like there's no tomorrow and sell in the nearest hub (which may be just 1 jump away). Just traveling in and out of lowsec will kill your ISK/hour, period.

(Admiteddly I haven't undocked since October so I don't know how well performs the Venture, but being 5000 m3, i'm sure that it will fill up faster = more time wasted in travel + additional chances to be smartbombed at a hi<->lo gate. And no matter how free it is, you still will have to fit it for lowsec)

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#372 - 2013-01-25 15:31:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


With all due respect, i think you are playing the wrong game.


It doesn't really matter. It's the only game I play and I will continue to do so. I just won't maintain as many accounts as I did when I felt that things were 'better', whatever that means.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#373 - 2013-01-25 19:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
I just started reading the CSM winter minutes.

On page 10, fourth paragraph.



CCP Unifex.
Quote:
the lurking single players who are already subscribed, are the majority of characters on Tranquility.


The "lurking single player" makes the biggest group of characters.

Characters.

x players have y characters, with x being in between 0 and y-1, btw.

y represents the sum of all characters. As was pointed out in the minutes, they can't reliably tell how many characters
a player has.

The quote above means that most players have solo playing characters in their character slots.

It does NOT mean that in EvE, solo players are the majority !


Why, i hear you ask ??


Because the solo character can easily be an *alt* of the player who heavily socializes !



This thread now dies.

Please change your title, it's officially wrong.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#374 - 2013-01-25 21:10:40 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
I just started reading the CSM winter minutes.

On page 10, fourth paragraph.



CCP Unifex.
Quote:
the lurking single players who are already subscribed, are the majority of characters on Tranquility.


The "lurking single player" makes the biggest group of characters.

Characters.

x players have y characters, with x being in between 0 and y-1, btw.

y represents the sum of all characters. As was pointed out in the minutes, they can't reliably tell how many characters
a player has.

The quote above means that most players have solo playing characters in their character slots.

It does NOT mean that in EvE, solo players are the majority !


Why, i hear you ask ??


Because the solo character can easily be an *alt* of the player who heavily socializes !



This thread now dies.

Please change your title, it's officially wrong.


What you are suggesting is that no 1%er has an alt. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that. I believe that 1%ers have more alts than the average Eve player. How else could they finance their PvP losses?

But, let's assume that 1%ers and solo players have the same number of alts per player.

Ooops. You lose. I think the title is fine.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#375 - 2013-01-25 21:11:49 UTC
BTW, you FINALLY took a look at the minutes? No wonder so much of what you have posted has been off topic.
Ghazu
#376 - 2013-01-25 21:18:52 UTC
^ lol roleplayers

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#377 - 2013-01-25 21:23:07 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
^ lol roleplayers


Are you trying to say something about the topic? Or was this a mis-post?
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#378 - 2013-01-26 02:50:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:

Your first venture is free, as is the skillbook that goes with it. The Venture isn't designed for long term mining ops - it is a ninja miner. Go out, get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back. If people come into system, dock up or safe up and turn on cloak. As long as you learn to stay aligned to your preferred method of offski you should be fine - unless they bring infinite point.


I am the previous post quoted "as someone above" who described low sec mining.

I will keep the description going for you: there's no "get high grade ore from systems close to high and bring it back" because:

1) There are no high grade ores in low sec. There are excruciantly few systems providing very, very bad low end zydrine yielding roids whose ISK/h is a non factor.

2) Not only they are excruciantly few, but they are far away from "close to hi sec". Last one I have been, not too far from an old base system we had (Esesier), was 9 jumps in low sec. In fact, in ancient times CCP designed a very smooth progression from hi sec roids to null sec, those "slightly higher grade" roids are much closer to 0.0 low sec entrances than hi sec.

3) The low sec => hi sec transition you describe poses its own problems in terms of smartbombing battleships located on some "obvious" routes, forcing additional steps like having to jump more and / or adding avoid-smartbomb gate bookmarks.



Now that I have worked for the day and am actually awake I would like to concede the point to you. I sort of started in a sleep addled haze where I was talking of my mini ninja mining (I tended to only mine a couple of hours a week) whereas you were talking about mining as a profitable profession. In this case you are correct, if I was to actually mine, mine, mine then I would probably need either the logistical hellchain you have going or just afk in hi sec (not in gallente space, I hear there is an RP pvp cult around there).
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#379 - 2013-01-26 03:17:20 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
you were talking about mining as a profitable profession. In this case you are correct, if I was to actually mine, mine, mine then I would probably need either the logistical hellchain you have going or just afk in hi sec (not in gallente space, I hear there is an RP pvp cult around there).

Logistical hellchain, sounds like great fun.

I've heard about those RP-PVP guys.

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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#380 - 2013-01-26 03:54:31 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:
you were talking about mining as a profitable profession. In this case you are correct, if I was to actually mine, mine, mine then I would probably need either the logistical hellchain you have going or just afk in hi sec (not in gallente space, I hear there is an RP pvp cult around there).

Logistical hellchain, sounds like great fun.

I've heard about those RP-PVP guys.


It probably wouldn't hold a candle to the group who gets the fun of planing out POS fuel for the towers at an alliance level, they'd probably take it for a working holiday. I was surprised there are RP-PVPers, you don't hear of this elusive breed these days, but eve changes people in ways they never expect. I might go and check what the fuss is about at some stage, very very religious lot though, I hope I don't offend them :p