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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2013-01-20 20:59:08 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I think one of the things that is really going to stand out is the average discrepancy in LP and isk payout between lvl 3s 4s and 5s. Once I have enough data I will start making some graphs to illustrate the problems with RvR as it stands currently.

Are you currently working on your plan?

Will you post it when it is done so we can all take a look at it and make comments and give criticism and suggestions?

Praise and support, not ~trolling~.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Xenuria
#62 - 2013-01-20 20:59:08 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I think one of the things that is really going to stand out is the average discrepancy in LP and isk payout between lvl 3s 4s and 5s. Once I have enough data I will start making some graphs to illustrate the problems with RvR as it stands currently.

Are you currently working on your plan?

Will you post it when it is done so we can all take a look at it and make comments and give criticism and suggestions?



Well yes, the data will be transparent. I will provide everything except the names of the participants unless CCP specifically requests those from me. When I am done you will be able to look at the excel document yourself and make sure I am not messing with the numbers. You will be able to make comments and criticism.

The stage we are at right now is data collection.

CSM 12 Candidate
Certo Morte
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2013-01-20 22:33:00 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I think one of the things that is really going to stand out is the average discrepancy in LP and isk payout between lvl 3s 4s and 5s. Once I have enough data I will start making some graphs to illustrate the problems with RvR as it stands currently.

Are you currently working on your plan?

Will you post it when it is done so we can all take a look at it and make comments and give criticism and suggestions?



Well yes, the data will be transparent. I will provide everything except the names of the participants unless CCP specifically requests those from me. When I am done you will be able to look at the excel document yourself and make sure I am not messing with the numbers. You will be able to make comments and criticism.

The stage we are at right now is data collection.


How about instead of being a little whiny leech you actually fit up a mission running ship and go do missions yourself. Would gain a iota of credibility that you obviously don't have from your failures at well, everything.
Xenuria
#64 - 2013-01-20 22:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Certo Morte wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I think one of the things that is really going to stand out is the average discrepancy in LP and isk payout between lvl 3s 4s and 5s. Once I have enough data I will start making some graphs to illustrate the problems with RvR as it stands currently.

Are you currently working on your plan?

Will you post it when it is done so we can all take a look at it and make comments and give criticism and suggestions?



Well yes, the data will be transparent. I will provide everything except the names of the participants unless CCP specifically requests those from me. When I am done you will be able to look at the excel document yourself and make sure I am not messing with the numbers. You will be able to make comments and criticism.

The stage we are at right now is data collection.


How about instead of being a little whiny leech you actually fit up a mission running ship and go do missions yourself. Would gain a iota of credibility that you obviously don't have from your failures at well, everything.


What kind of research has a sample size of 1 person?
I am really not sure if you are just another troll or you really have no idea how research works.


There needs to be a noteworthy percentage of the target population participating. Let me give you an example.


Drug X83-49 is tested on 1 human to see if the drug is toxic.
The human does not die or experience any ill effect.
Does that mean that the drug is safe for the general public?
By your logic it does.

CSM 12 Candidate
Certo Morte
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2013-01-20 22:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Certo Morte
Xenuria wrote:
Certo Morte wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I think one of the things that is really going to stand out is the average discrepancy in LP and isk payout between lvl 3s 4s and 5s. Once I have enough data I will start making some graphs to illustrate the problems with RvR as it stands currently.

Are you currently working on your plan?

Will you post it when it is done so we can all take a look at it and make comments and give criticism and suggestions?



Well yes, the data will be transparent. I will provide everything except the names of the participants unless CCP specifically requests those from me. When I am done you will be able to look at the excel document yourself and make sure I am not messing with the numbers. You will be able to make comments and criticism.

The stage we are at right now is data collection.


How about instead of being a little whiny leech you actually fit up a mission running ship and go do missions yourself. Would gain a iota of credibility that you obviously don't have from your failures at well, everything.


What kind of research has a sample size of 1 person?


Numbers are numbers are numbers. Doesn't matter whether its you or another person, if you're doing the same thing then you're going to get the same numbers. Use different ships, come up with your own numbers instead of begging people for their information. Actually getting your little hands dirty and doing the research yourself and proving numbers that you have done would give you a slightly more chance at being even looked at.

Don't think that this is going to change the fact that you'll never get a free trip to Iceland though, its hilarious to still see how delusional you still are.

Not to mention, yea. Math is the same as drug testing right?
Xenuria
#66 - 2013-01-20 22:42:45 UTC
Certo Morte wrote:

Not to mention, yea. Math is the same as drug testing right?


Ok, I think it is clear that you are trolling at this point.

CSM 12 Candidate
Tesal
#67 - 2013-01-21 00:48:29 UTC
Data is not a replacement for character.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#68 - 2013-01-21 01:51:09 UTC
Certo Morte wrote:
Don't think that this is going to change the fact that you'll never get a free trip to Iceland though, its hilarious to still see how delusional you still are.

Now, now we all have our dreams.

One day there won't be a need to defend yourself in highsec, because game mechanics and NPCs will do it for you at trivial/no cost.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ghazu
#69 - 2013-01-21 04:35:24 UTC
hey don't you have to go beg some more for airfare and travel expenses for yourself and your mother?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-01-21 10:30:55 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Chribba I realize you are a respected member of the community but I am going to have to ask you regardless to stop trolling my thread. I am going to do my best to ignore any blatantly obvious trolling.


Regardless, Chribba has some valid points, with his questions about Your data gathering and screening processes on said data.

It would be prudent to point out or even explain how You want to screen the soon to be collected data to verify any information submitted to Your data pool and Most importantly how do You intend to detect falsified data accurately so it won't twist the end result of Your poll? This is EVE after all.

How do You measure "reward" raw ISK, or ISK + LP or ISK + salvage + LP? What time intervall will You apply, per hour? per 20 Minutes? or just plain X ISK reward per mission? And am I still counted as a single entidy if I do missions with 5 accounts at once or am I counted as 5 seperate entidies?

And where do we submit that data?

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Xenuria
#71 - 2013-01-21 12:30:57 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Chribba I realize you are a respected member of the community but I am going to have to ask you regardless to stop trolling my thread. I am going to do my best to ignore any blatantly obvious trolling.


Regardless, Chribba has some valid points, with his questions about Your data gathering and screening processes on said data.

It would be prudent to point out or even explain how You want to screen the soon to be collected data to verify any information submitted to Your data pool and Most importantly how do You intend to detect falsified data accurately so it won't twist the end result of Your poll? This is EVE after all.

How do You measure "reward" raw ISK, or ISK + LP or ISK + salvage + LP? What time intervall will You apply, per hour? per 20 Minutes? or just plain X ISK reward per mission? And am I still counted as a single entidy if I do missions with 5 accounts at once or am I counted as 5 seperate entidies?

And where do we submit that data?


It's nice to see somebody with some serious questions.

Can the data be falsified?
Yes I guess if somebody wanted to attach cheat engine to the client and change some numbers before taking a screen shot and appending that to the excel data collected.

How do you measure reward?
Well, another good question. Reward is measured differently by different people so the goal would be to survey a large number of people who do all different kinds of PVE content and see what the majority of them consider to be a good measurement of reward.

What if I am doing missions with 5 accounts?
This is something that would be shown by a notation somewhere, however it would not be problematic with the way things are set up. If I run into a problem I can Batphone my old statistics professor. He could do this stuff in his sleep.

Let me know if I missed anything, I just work up.

CSM 12 Candidate
Xenuria
#72 - 2013-01-21 12:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Ghazu wrote:
hey don't you have to go beg some more for airfare and travel expenses for yourself and your mother?


NOPE! It's all paid for. Thank you for your concern. I will be at fanfest.

CSM 12 Candidate
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#73 - 2013-01-21 15:39:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Xenuria wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
hey don't you have to go beg some more for airfare and travel expenses for yourself and your mother?


NOPE! It's all paid for. Thank you for your concern. I will be at fanfest.



Somehow I think it's going to be very hard to get anyone into the hotspring pools now.