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flakeys
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-02-18 09:46:37 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Aryth wrote:


He doesn't. He is in fact about dead on though. I sold them as high as 41.8 from a quick glance at my logs. Flakeys bought 132 Ferox's from me at an average price of 37.9m.




And that's only what i bought from you .... crazy i say CRAZY Big smile

Edit : hahaha me Md elite , a cook with allmost no education who doesn't have a clue about markets .... hahahaa hahahaaaaa . Ahhhh good times good times Roll .


i Said C--C---C---C-----Craaaaazzzyy



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#102 - 2013-02-18 10:49:38 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:

Ferox:
Manufacture cost: 31 million
sale price: 39 million
Profit: 8 million

8/31*100: about 25% on your investment.


not implying your somebody´s alt, but how do you know he sold it for 39 mil a piece to him? wich is even 2 mil above jita price btw...currently at ~37



I'm no-one's alt. Except my own. but that just gets confusing, so we'll ignore it.

If I was Aryth's alt, I'd be a lot better off than I am.

Anyway, I got the 39 million out of http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/0/16227/0/5/0/5

Sure, it might not be the lowest price on the market, but you can't use the lowest price to work out what something costs. as it tends to be a small number of items. That's why everything I work with is based on the average price for the lowest 5% of the market. Sure, it's game-able, but it's a little trickier to do so.

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-02-18 17:00:29 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Aryth wrote:

I sold into the thousands of BC's in the last few weeks to people looking to just buy off market rather than build. Pocketing a nice 20-30% while selling to the MD ELITE (snicker) Hi Flakeys. Good times. Never underestimate the laziness of the average investor.


flakeys also likes the word hub.

RubyPorto wrote:

Sometimes they just gotta dance.


Love the monocle Sir, o/\o, actually been waiting just to say ants in my pants on these forums for lulz.

Aryth wrote:

I think poor shara is terrible at math. That was one yes, Cyclones were
28.4 built
and 37.9 sold

I probably should have instead said 20-34%. Silly me!


If built, your actual profit, must take into account the sell price of the minerals, not what you paid for them, the opportunity to simply flip the minerals is often better than building, at least in the case of when you built them (pre-spike) now, id say building the hulls makes sense.


Which is what I was implying in a previous post in another thread. We were maniping pyerite at the time. To force the build cost up a bit so my pretty BC's looked attractive. Which worked well as they got dogpiled in that spike.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#104 - 2013-02-18 17:22:37 UTC
Speaking for myself i didnt check what the build cost was , what the average price was .... i just bought a crapload and will see around summer if i can make a profit out of it.If they haven't sold in a year then i'll dump them onto whatever the price is .. if i can sell them between summer/winter for a profit then that's a nice extra.

I might earn 10 B i might loose 10 B either way it's of no essential impact Blink

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Illest Insurrectionist
Sparta.
#105 - 2013-02-18 18:34:31 UTC
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#106 - 2013-02-18 23:01:10 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Edit : hahaha me Md elite , a cook with allmost no education who doesn't have a clue about markets .... hahahaa hahahaaaaa . Ahhhh good times good times Roll .


To be fair, most people who play EVE seem to be, at best, semi-literate, so your "almost no education" gives you a leg up over their "no education."

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-02-18 23:05:45 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Speaking for myself i didnt check what the build cost was , what the average price was .... i just bought a crapload and will see around summer if i can make a profit out of it.If they haven't sold in a year then i'll dump them onto whatever the price is .. if i can sell them between summer/winter for a profit then that's a nice extra.

I might earn 10 B i might loose 10 B either way it's of no essential impact Blink


We have similar investment styles then. Though i prefer the, will 100% make xxx billions and hope for xxx+xx billions method. But essentially, throw into long terms, forget about them for a period of time. 2 months to me is a blink as far as EVE investments anyway.

I just rolled all the initial profits into more BC's and GS. Park it.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#108 - 2013-02-18 23:08:38 UTC
Aryth wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Speaking for myself i didnt check what the build cost was , what the average price was .... i just bought a crapload and will see around summer if i can make a profit out of it.If they haven't sold in a year then i'll dump them onto whatever the price is .. if i can sell them between summer/winter for a profit then that's a nice extra.

I might earn 10 B i might loose 10 B either way it's of no essential impact Blink


We have similar investment styles then. Though i prefer the, will 100% make xxx billions and hope for xxx+xx billions method. But essentially, throw into long terms, forget about them for a period of time. 2 months to me is a blink as far as EVE investments anyway.

I just rolled all the initial profits into more BC's and GS. Park it.


I do the same. I am already investing for the T2 ships tiericide...

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#109 - 2013-02-18 23:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Candy Oshea
Aryth wrote:

Which is what I was implying in a previous post in another thread. We were maniping pyerite at the time. To force the build cost up a bit so my pretty BC's looked attractive. Which worked well as they got dogpiled in that spike.


Regardless, only current sell prices matter, pyerite has been trending up for a year (youlittledevil,jpg). So again, why sell now & why brag about only mediocre gains.

really? all that for 5m per hull?

Regarding ferox, the largest block order (formerly 444 units of ferox) has been moved below my little kahnbahn order of 6@40m, not assuming its you guys, but if it is, why now & not in a years time/reaches the new parity? (after all the scrubs have sold for lower than new build cost).

My best Guess at why you guys are selling early is Boredom, lulz & the like.

It makes me wonder how big & thick the stacks are gonna be after patch day (today) when players may/may not reveal there stacks.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#110 - 2013-02-19 00:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Candy Oshea wrote:
Regardless, only current sell prices matter, pyerite has been trending up for a year (youlittledevil,jpg). So again, why sell now & why brag about only mediocre gains.


Because for every 5-8 BCs he sells now, he gets an extra one at the end of the whole process without putting any additional initial capital in play, assuming he simply reinvests the profit.

In my case, I sell now because I don't feel like locking up my capital for that long, so >1m/hr/line for ~2 weeks now making simple T1 items is pretty good. Also, ~15% profit in a day is better for me than 40% profit in 6 months.

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#111 - 2013-02-19 01:10:37 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
Regardless, only current sell prices matter, pyerite has been trending up for a year (youlittledevil,jpg). So again, why sell now & why brag about only mediocre gains.


Because for every 5-8 BCs he sells now, he gets an extra one at the end of the whole process without putting any additional initial capital in play, assuming he simply reinvests the profit.

In my case, I sell now because I don't feel like locking up my capital for that long, so >1m/hr/line for ~2 weeks now making simple T1 items is pretty good. Also, ~15% profit in a day is better for me than 40% profit in 6 months.


Thanks Ruby. I Understand, i think the guy/group has 10,000+ BC's, & simply doesn't care, profit is profit regardless, so fair point.

I mentioned the blocking order earlier, i wonder why it isn't Agressively at 36.5, sure you will lose some opportunity isk, but the lemmings undercutting you and selling to buy orders will eventually Drop them (in the case of ferox) to a reasonable price to re-stock/gather more.

But what do i know right?

It Just amuses me to see such effort + forum warrioring for less than 5m a hull.



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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#112 - 2013-02-19 01:21:17 UTC
5m here, 5m there, repeat ten thousand times, soon we're talking about real money

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#113 - 2013-02-19 01:42:42 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
5m here, 5m there, repeat ten thousand times, soon we're talking about real money


500m and you can get into the MD elite.

Refer flakeys for details

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2013-02-19 02:04:48 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
5m here, 5m there, repeat ten thousand times, soon we're talking about real money


500m and you can get into the MD elite.

Refer flakeys for details

a mere 10b and you can have your own rented constellation, with low per-member fees

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-02-19 02:07:09 UTC
Why pay 500m for entry into the MD elite when he's already a contributing member of Eve's most powerful and exclusive marketeering racket? P

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#116 - 2013-02-19 02:11:16 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
5m here, 5m there, repeat ten thousand times, soon we're talking about real money


500m and you can get into the MD elite.

Refer flakeys for details

a mere 10b and you can have your own rented constellation, with low per-member fees


9000m Security deposit sent to Lord Xayder

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#117 - 2013-02-19 02:12:05 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Why pay 500m for entry into the MD elite when he's already a contributing member of Eve's most powerful and exclusive marketeering racket? P


Why do people buy $12,000 bottles of wine?

(I worked at a restaurant for a while as a Valet. I remember hearing about a 2 top that had a $20,000 dinner. 2 bottles of wine and 2 meals.)

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-02-19 02:14:30 UTC
So wait okay, in this analogy the $20,000 bottles of wine is the Goonfleet Cabal and the McDonalds or whatever that you went to get after a night of valet work is the MD Elite?

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#119 - 2013-02-19 02:16:42 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Why pay 500m for entry into the MD elite when he's already a contributing member of Eve's most powerful and exclusive marketeering racket? P


The free hat is only while stocks last.

This makes it a valuable item, with limited supply. You economics nerds can do the math!

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#120 - 2013-02-19 03:24:59 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
5m here, 5m there, repeat ten thousand times, soon we're talking about real money


500m and you can get into the MD elite.

Refer flakeys for details

a mere 10b and you can have your own rented constellation, with low per-member fees


9000m Security deposit sent to Lord Xayder


Because whoever sells now has heavy investments in mineral markets specifically.