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Bears must destroy ISK

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#1 - 2013-01-19 16:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
*Discussion for actual implementation is now taking place on Features and Ideas. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195821&find=unread


Bears need more options for directly destroying the Assets of their enemies.

PvPers make assets and then spend it on new ships which they destroy in combat. They interact with one another and create content.

Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their mining and industrial play. They have few options to directly destroy the assets of their enemies with their playstyle.

The bears should be given options for the direct destruction of assets. For whatever reason they do not participate in PvP combat. But in a sandbox there can be other devices that will hurt your enemies. Gameplay that the empire builders will enjoy that directly destroys the ISK of their enemies.

By creating more options for attack and interaction Eve will become a more vibrant and living place.

*Skip to pg 4 post 70. The first 3 pages got taken up by Hickory, Dickory, and Stark babbling on about some nonsense.
Dave Stark
#2 - 2013-01-19 16:47:55 UTC
if i'm destroying isk i'm not plexing my accounts, and if ccp doesn't want my money, i know blizzard/activision do.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-19 16:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Spending ISK on ships doesn't destroy it. Buying things from LP stores and NPC sell orders, sales tax and broker's fees do, among other things.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-01-19 16:53:13 UTC
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#5 - 2013-01-19 16:56:40 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
PvPers make ISK and then spend it on new ships. They interact with one another and create content.

Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their AFK mining and industrial play. They have few options to destroy ISK with their playstyle.

Events like Hulkegeddon and Burn Jita will not equalize this disparity.

The bears should be given options for the direct destruction of ISK. For whatever reason they cannot participate in PvP combat. But in a sandbox there can be other devices that will hurt your enemies. Gameplay that the empire builders will enjoy that directly destroys the ISK of PvPers.

Only by removing the artificial barriers to destruction will the ISK disparity be equalized.




People in highsec PvP one on one all the time. Every 30 seconds someone is blowing someone else up in Rens. Come and join the fun and show all the carebears how tough you are.

All low sec is is a bunch of AFK gate camping. In High Sec people battle in BC's and Battleships. In Low Sec, you're considered foolish to fly anything that expensive.

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Nicor Syke'Nexen
#6 - 2013-01-19 16:56:57 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
if i'm destroying isk i'm not plexing my accounts, and if ccp doesn't want my money, i know blizzard/activision do.


/confused

so, you're saying you'd pay for a game that sucks, just because that company wants your money more, and gives zero opportunity to 'play for free'?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-01-19 16:59:01 UTC
I thought plexing your accounts was a cost effective way for players to play the game by providing content over paying a subscription fee.

Wouldn't that be CCP paying you to play, not the other way around?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#8 - 2013-01-19 16:59:50 UTC
What exactly are these "artificial barriers" of which you speak?

OP sounds jealous to me.




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Dave Stark
#9 - 2013-01-19 17:06:23 UTC
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if i'm destroying isk i'm not plexing my accounts, and if ccp doesn't want my money, i know blizzard/activision do.


/confused

so, you're saying you'd pay for a game that sucks, just because that company wants your money more, and gives zero opportunity to 'play for free'?




no, i'm saying that if ccp would rather me delete my isk, than turn it in to cash for them, then that's fine. however if i can't keep all my accounts active then there's not really anything left for me here. i've not been on WoW for a while so that'll keep me entertained for a few weeks finishing some rep grinds.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-01-19 17:08:30 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

Only by removing the artificial barriers to destruction will the ISK disparity be equalized.


Dude, the entire game is an artificial environment... next time, choose the Blue PIll. Shocked

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Nicor Syke'Nexen
#11 - 2013-01-19 17:09:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if i'm destroying isk i'm not plexing my accounts, and if ccp doesn't want my money, i know blizzard/activision do.


/confused

so, you're saying you'd pay for a game that sucks, just because that company wants your money more, and gives zero opportunity to 'play for free'?




no, i'm saying that if ccp would rather me delete my isk, than turn it in to cash for them, then that's fine. however if i can't keep all my accounts active then there's not really anything left for me here. i've not been on WoW for a while so that'll keep me entertained for a few weeks finishing some rep grinds.


but that's where i'm confused.

you can't afford to play eve, the better game, but you are willing to waste money to play a themepark cartoon? whose admittedly current target demographic is 12-15 year olds?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2013-01-19 17:10:13 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
PvPers make ISK and then spend it on new ships which they destroy in combat. They interact with one another and create content.

Care bears accumulate massive fortunes with their AFK mining and industrial play. They have few options to destroy ISK with their playstyle.

Events like Hulkegeddon and Burn Jita will not equalize this disparity.

The bears should be given options for the direct destruction of ISK. For whatever reason they cannot participate in PvP combat. But in a sandbox there can be other devices that will hurt your enemies. Gameplay that the empire builders will enjoy that directly destroys the ISK of PvPers.

Only by removing the artificial barriers to destruction will the ISK disparity be equalized.



The PvPers destroying Bears ships is most indeed destroying our ISK.

You are ignoring one half of your own idiotic equation and idea. Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#13 - 2013-01-19 17:11:03 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
What exactly are these "artificial barriers" of which you speak?

OP sounds jealous to me.



The sandbox is not currently a system with unlimited options. Many possibilities for play and interaction are just not supported. These unsupported options are in effect artificial barriers.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-01-19 17:12:54 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
I thought plexing your accounts was a cost effective way for players to play the game by providing content over paying a subscription fee.

Wouldn't that be CCP paying you to play, not the other way around?

No.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-01-19 17:13:44 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I thought plexing your accounts was a cost effective way for players to play the game by providing content over paying a subscription fee.

Wouldn't that be CCP paying you to play, not the other way around?

No.



No what? Tell me how plexing accounts is you spending money subbing.

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Dave Stark
#16 - 2013-01-19 17:14:31 UTC
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if i'm destroying isk i'm not plexing my accounts, and if ccp doesn't want my money, i know blizzard/activision do.


/confused

so, you're saying you'd pay for a game that sucks, just because that company wants your money more, and gives zero opportunity to 'play for free'?




no, i'm saying that if ccp would rather me delete my isk, than turn it in to cash for them, then that's fine. however if i can't keep all my accounts active then there's not really anything left for me here. i've not been on WoW for a while so that'll keep me entertained for a few weeks finishing some rep grinds.


but that's where i'm confused.

you can't afford to play eve, the better game, but you are willing to waste money to play a themepark cartoon? whose admittedly current target demographic is 12-15 year olds?


the fact you think i can't afford to play eve is why you're confused.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-01-19 17:15:38 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I thought plexing your accounts was a cost effective way for players to play the game by providing content over paying a subscription fee.

Wouldn't that be CCP paying you to play, not the other way around?

No.



No what? Tell me how plexing accounts is you spending money subbing.

How about I tell you about how it's other people spending money?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#18 - 2013-01-19 17:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Murk Paradox wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I thought plexing your accounts was a cost effective way for players to play the game by providing content over paying a subscription fee.

Wouldn't that be CCP paying you to play, not the other way around?

No.



No what? Tell me how plexing accounts is you spending money subbing.



Someone gave CCP money for that PLEX to even be there. Jeez.........


edit: The money from purchased PLEXes is in a sort of 'escrow', much like Gift Certificates from a store. The money cannot be touched until the certificate (PLEX) is actually used, or reaches a pre-agreed expiration date.

It is to CCP's advantage to have these things used, and off the Market so they get their 20.

Thus when someone turns in their 'however many' PLEX for say FanFest, THEN they get their money.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Nicor Syke'Nexen
#19 - 2013-01-19 17:16:13 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I thought plexing your accounts was a cost effective way for players to play the game by providing content over paying a subscription fee.

Wouldn't that be CCP paying you to play, not the other way around?

No.



No what? Tell me how plexing accounts is you spending money subbing.


they'll tell you: time is money.

well, if they're so worried about what they do with their time, maybe gaming isn't the best activity for them.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-01-19 17:16:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I thought plexing your accounts was a cost effective way for players to play the game by providing content over paying a subscription fee.

Wouldn't that be CCP paying you to play, not the other way around?

No.



No what? Tell me how plexing accounts is you spending money subbing.

How about I tell you about how it's other people spending money?



I would rather have you explain how you plexing your account is you paying ccp to pay with money. Don't worry about other people. We all know some people spend more per month than others.

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