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Smaller Alliances/Corps Need To Take Their Game Back

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#101 - 2013-01-21 13:56:02 UTC
Sid Hudgens wrote:
I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.


I guess there is not a single player in eve who does not wish for this to happen.

My estimate is that both sides are waiting for the upcoming null-sec changes to be released just before the summer expansion- after all they will want to know which part of space will be worth fighting for and which will be useless.

And yeah, I would enlist, too, I wouldn't even care for which side. I guess there will be a recruitment frenzy on both sides about one month before the sh*t hits the fan.

To OP: If you want easy accessible pvp without politics and drama, why don't you join RvB? You could shoot people like me in the face all day long if you picked Blue....

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Myrissa Kistel
Planetary Logistics
#102 - 2013-01-21 17:05:21 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.




You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.



DUDE, like, I just want to find some cool folks that DON'T TAKE THIS GAME TOO SERIOUSLY....Unbelievable how it's SO hard to find that....WHY am I having to go through SO MUCH CRAP just t join a corp and shoot stuff...???

Maybe I SHOULD just join a CoD clan or something....this whole "eve iz srz biz" mentality is fkin draining....



I remember the days when the Goons used to be the group that fought the establishment that took this game to seriously.
Silindra Hanaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2013-01-21 18:08:06 UTC
Well just like in real life, the so called " too big to fail " idea. These massive 1k+ member alliances control 50% of the space in this game and they are unwilling to give any of it up. If a smaller alliance moves into a single null system, puts up their territorial claim banner and sits there a couple of days, guess what? They will be ganked by 200 people and kicked out of that system.

It is what it is. As people always tell us newbs just getting into the game, " Eve is what you make of it ".

Well, it looks like 80% of the population of Eve is more then willing to spend their time in High/Low space and not even bother will Null.

I did have a thought the other day. What if everyone in high just got damn tired of the gate campers at entry low-sec entry system or null-sec entry system and 5,000 people just plowed through the red tape and made low/null their own home. Be damned of whoever is there already.

Would it work? Could you turn low/null into a high sec-esque region full of life? Or will it always be the 2 people in local chat or 0 people in local chat dead-space it is now? I'd love to see that personally. Just thousands of people piling into low / high and seeing what happens.

There is also something to this as well. It takes alot of time to gather ISK. And people are just damn scared to lose ISK. This is why TEST and Goon do not fight. I'm a newb and I know this. Who wants to lose trillions of ISK in a war that in the end will probably result in a minimal system changeover and just weaken you for other alliances to take advantage.

Same reason Russia and the US never went to war. No reason to give Mexico an opening.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#104 - 2013-01-21 19:21:03 UTC
Myrissa Kistel wrote:
I remember the days when the Goons used to be the group that fought the establishment that took this game to seriously.

We were non-seriously camping those chaps into the station. They were really serious about going elsewhere to avoid DABIGREDBOAT.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2013-01-21 20:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowschild
Max Doobie wrote:


I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.


Hmmmm I don't know, maybe it's because you're a possible spy, or perhaps it's your questionable sense of loyalty.
Certainly can't be your killboard (read pilot has 2 loses, 0 kills since October).

I doubt any high sec newb corp would even take you. Where is your common sense?
Dr No Game
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#106 - 2013-01-21 20:40:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr No Game
Silindra Hanaya wrote:
Would it work? Could you turn low/null into a high sec-esque region full of life? Or will it always be the 2 people in local chat or 0 people in local chat dead-space it is now? I'd love to see that personally. Just thousands of people piling into low / high and seeing what happens.


People seem to forget HiSec can be quiet too. I dock up in HED-GP and there are regularly 300 people in that system. I dock up my alt in their HS (Island, requires a staggering Two jumps through low-sec to access) home and on a good day there are 8 people in system. The surrounding high-sec systems are just as empty. It really depends on where you go, there are active and quiet areas of High/Low/Null-sec and they're good and/or bad depending on what you need to do at the time.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#107 - 2013-01-22 04:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Hey OP, why don't you try leaving fountain/delve core for a change? Bitching about your space empire when all you do is stay within it's borders is kinda lame. I'm never more comfortable than when I'm in someone elses space causing them trouble.

I know for a fact there is a small gang group within TEST that is basically a carbon copy of my own squad, I'm sure they are out doing things in sub 20-30 man fleets doing things and having fun.

EDIT: Oh nevermind you have been in Dreddit for a grand total of two months and haven't done **** for that entire two months. So is this just an alt you got in so you could make this stupid thread?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#108 - 2013-01-22 04:22:37 UTC
Silindra Hanaya wrote:

I did have a thought the other day. What if everyone in high just got damn tired of the gate campers at entry low-sec entry system or null-sec entry system and 5,000 people just plowed through the red tape and made low/null their own home. Be damned of whoever is there already.


This is exactly how Goonswarm and Dreddit (AKA TEST Alliance) began. What people don't realize is the level of organization it takes to get 5000 people aimed in the same direction. Even harder is getting them into the right ships. If every pubbie in highsec got into their finest battlesteed and came to VFK it would be a massacre, and not in their favor.

It would have nothing to do with the numbers or isk spent on super pimped out death machines, or even supercaps. It would have everything to do with organization, good FC's, competent fleet doctrines that complemented one another, and above all it has to do with the willingness to die for a cause. Highsec players get far too attached to their spaceships from what I've seen.

There are obvious exceptions of course, such as Red Vs Blue, but even they are a little to kitchen sink to fight a mainfleet doctrine from any of the big players in null. Sure they have scrapped with us before, but generally it's their kitchen sink vs our kitchen sink, and goons like to fly some really dumb ships (Comedy Megathron or that guy who brought a festival launcher to our fleet op tonight) when a doctrine isn't enforced.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#109 - 2013-01-22 04:24:40 UTC
Shadowschild wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.


Hmmmm I don't know, maybe it's because you're a possible spy, or perhaps it's your questionable sense of loyalty.
Certainly can't be your killboard (read pilot has 2 loses, 0 kills since October).

I doubt any high sec newb corp would even take you. Where is your common sense?


Going for the triple post: Test is fairly laid back tbh, if this person is being stomped on for activity it's because according to their killboard they haven't actually done anything. Ever. I just invited a three day old newbie to come join my cloak gang, sure he's going to die, but he's going to have fun. If you don't get involved you have nobody to blame but yourself for things sucking.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#110 - 2013-01-22 04:28:46 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Silindra Hanaya wrote:

I did have a thought the other day. What if everyone in high just got damn tired of the gate campers at entry low-sec entry system or null-sec entry system and 5,000 people just plowed through the red tape and made low/null their own home. Be damned of whoever is there already.


This is exactly how Goonswarm and Dreddit (AKA TEST Alliance) began. What people don't realize is the level of organization it takes to get 5000 people aimed in the same direction. Even harder is getting them into the right ships. If every pubbie in highsec got into their finest battlesteed and came to VFK it would be a massacre, and not in their favor.

It would have nothing to do with the numbers or isk spent on super pimped out death machines, or even supercaps. It would have everything to do with organization, good FC's, competent fleet doctrines that complemented one another, and above all it has to do with the willingness to die for a cause. Highsec players get far too attached to their spaceships from what I've seen.

There are obvious exceptions of course, such as Red Vs Blue, but even they are a little to kitchen sink to fight a mainfleet doctrine from any of the big players in null. Sure they have scrapped with us before, but generally it's their kitchen sink vs our kitchen sink, and goons like to fly some really dumb ships (Comedy Megathron or that guy who brought a festival launcher to our fleet op tonight) when a doctrine isn't enforced.


Was it just the singular launcher? Because I'm imagining a Drake will full festival launchers.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#111 - 2013-01-22 04:31:40 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:

Was it just the singular launcher? Because I'm imagining a Drake will full festival launchers.


Single launcher, he had it stuffed into his highs on a recon which really are utility highs anyways since on a recon the mids are what's important. I just fell out laughing while getting a secondary point on an oracle at close range in ~my sabre~ I saw fireworks going off on the oracle.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#112 - 2013-01-22 04:32:08 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Going for the triple post: Test is fairly laid back tbh, if this person is being stomped on for activity it's because according to their killboard they haven't actually done anything. Ever. I just invited a three day old newbie to come join my cloak gang, sure he's going to die, but he's going to have fun. If you don't get involved you have nobody to blame but yourself for things sucking.

At least die in a T1 frigate sometime.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#113 - 2013-01-22 04:35:25 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Going for the triple post: Test is fairly laid back tbh, if this person is being stomped on for activity it's because according to their killboard they haven't actually done anything. Ever. I just invited a three day old newbie to come join my cloak gang, sure he's going to die, but he's going to have fun. If you don't get involved you have nobody to blame but yourself for things sucking.

At least die in a T1 frigate sometime.


This person has died twice in a T1 frig, and killed exactly zero times. Meanwhile in Topgoon last month we let a seven day old new player lead our fleet of expensive ships around in Against all Anomalies space. He got my vagabond killed (Because I was the only one who followed his hilariously dumb orders) and everyone else peaced the **** out off grid when Elo undocked his munnin fleet.

I have never laughed so hard in my life, especially when he gave the order to "Orbit the stargate at various ranges to simulate an atom... hm yes that's exactly what I thought it would look like"
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#114 - 2013-01-22 04:38:16 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This person has died twice in a T1 frig, and killed exactly zero times. Meanwhile in Topgoon last month we let a seven day old new player lead our fleet of expensive ships around in Against all Anomalies space. He got my vagabond killed (Because I was the only one who followed his hilariously dumb orders) and everyone else peaced the **** out off grid when Elo undocked his munnin fleet.

I have never laughed so hard in my life, especially when he gave the order to "Orbit the stargate at various ranges to simulate an atom... hm yes that's exactly what I thought it would look like"

Well, don't groups orbit the stargate to try and catch people who cloak MWD or something? Usually at 12km I think.

Actually how does orbiting in EVE work, you don't go in an exact circle on a plane through the object do you? Hmm, I need to check this out for myself.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Costanza ReactionFace
Doomheim
#115 - 2013-01-22 04:40:00 UTC
This thread is still going?

What was it about, again?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#116 - 2013-01-22 04:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:

Was it just the singular launcher? Because I'm imagining a Drake will full festival launchers.


Single launcher, he had it stuffed into his highs on a recon which really are utility highs anyways since on a recon the mids are what's important. I just fell out laughing while getting a secondary point on an oracle at close range in ~my sabre~ I saw fireworks going off on the oracle.

That would go well on a newbie Blackbird. They don't actually use the missiles for much anyway. Or whatever is in the highs nowadays.

Oh I know, maybe I can cram one on my bomber. It doesn't need a ton of torp launchers.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#117 - 2013-01-22 04:50:48 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This person has died twice in a T1 frig, and killed exactly zero times. Meanwhile in Topgoon last month we let a seven day old new player lead our fleet of expensive ships around in Against all Anomalies space. He got my vagabond killed (Because I was the only one who followed his hilariously dumb orders) and everyone else peaced the **** out off grid when Elo undocked his munnin fleet.

I have never laughed so hard in my life, especially when he gave the order to "Orbit the stargate at various ranges to simulate an atom... hm yes that's exactly what I thought it would look like"

Well, don't groups orbit the stargate to try and catch people who cloak MWD or something? Usually at 12km I think.

Actually how does orbiting in EVE work, you don't go in an exact circle on a plane through the object do you? Hmm, I need to check this out for myself.


Exact plane around the center of the object.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#118 - 2013-01-22 04:52:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:

Was it just the singular launcher? Because I'm imagining a Drake will full festival launchers.


Single launcher, he had it stuffed into his highs on a recon which really are utility highs anyways since on a recon the mids are what's important. I just fell out laughing while getting a secondary point on an oracle at close range in ~my sabre~ I saw fireworks going off on the oracle.

That would go well on a newbie Blackbird. They don't actually use the missiles for much anyway. Or whatever is in the highs nowadays.

Oh I know, maybe I can cram one on my bomber. It doesn't need a ton of torp launchers.


That would be the best ship to surprise a group of miners in low sec. Uncloak, lock and....fire festive launchers at them.

Then a neutral cyno alt drops cyno and capital blob appears.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#119 - 2013-01-22 05:05:42 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:

Was it just the singular launcher? Because I'm imagining a Drake will full festival launchers.


Single launcher, he had it stuffed into his highs on a recon which really are utility highs anyways since on a recon the mids are what's important. I just fell out laughing while getting a secondary point on an oracle at close range in ~my sabre~ I saw fireworks going off on the oracle.

That would go well on a newbie Blackbird. They don't actually use the missiles for much anyway. Or whatever is in the highs nowadays.

Oh I know, maybe I can cram one on my bomber. It doesn't need a ton of torp launchers.


That would be the best ship to surprise a group of miners in low sec. Uncloak, lock and....fire festive launchers at them.

Then a neutral cyno alt drops cyno and capital blob appears.

At least my bomber can warp away before the capitals can lock it Shocked

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#120 - 2013-01-22 05:11:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:

Was it just the singular launcher? Because I'm imagining a Drake will full festival launchers.


Single launcher, he had it stuffed into his highs on a recon which really are utility highs anyways since on a recon the mids are what's important. I just fell out laughing while getting a secondary point on an oracle at close range in ~my sabre~ I saw fireworks going off on the oracle.

That would go well on a newbie Blackbird. They don't actually use the missiles for much anyway. Or whatever is in the highs nowadays.

Oh I know, maybe I can cram one on my bomber. It doesn't need a ton of torp launchers.


That would be the best ship to surprise a group of miners in low sec. Uncloak, lock and....fire festive launchers at them.

Then a neutral cyno alt drops cyno and capital blob appears.

At least my bomber can warp away before the capitals can lock it Shocked


Don't worry they are your capitals, not the unsuspecting miners. In addition it is a clean kill, no accidental DD hitting anyone's carrier....