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Smaller Alliances/Corps Need To Take Their Game Back

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Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#81 - 2013-01-20 04:49:59 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.




You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.



DUDE, like, I just want to find some cool folks that DON'T TAKE THIS GAME TOO SERIOUSLY....Unbelievable how it's SO hard to find that....WHY am I having to go through SO MUCH CRAP just t join a corp and shoot stuff...???

Maybe I SHOULD just join a CoD clan or something....this whole "eve iz srz biz" mentality is fkin draining....


Pssssst.... lowsec groups are your friends..... many of them are relaxed play style and just love shooting things and shooting the **** on comms

"I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining."
Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#82 - 2013-01-20 11:37:56 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
When small groups band together they become the next BoB or NC.

What we need is for 0.0 to not just accommodate the very largest groups, but also smaller alliances. Of course the larger groups should have more space, just don't allow them to claim a quarter of the freaking universe and leave it empty and unused, when many smaller alliances would love to use it.


Sovereignty should be tied to occupancy. Claimed (though unoccupied) systems should have an exponential increase in the Sov Bills. If a system is actively being used and lived in, the Sov Bill should lessen over time (though the costs for Strategic Upgrades would remain the same).

Live in your space and use it and you will be rewarded; Conquer huge tracts of space for little more than moons or lols or to be some sort of absentee landlord and find yourself going bankrupt before your Strategic Indexes hit 2.

This would encourage larger numbers of smaller alliances to fill the voids that would be left. It would create a richer environment for all involved.


Hahaha, oh wow. Considering that most nulsec (ex: Cloud Ring) is utterly worthless space, you actually think that 'small' alliances would step up to fill the void?

No, instead of Alliances owning the core tracts of regions, nulsec would be preppered with a million little renter alliances, living off the largeese of alliances like my own, who would own all of the good sec systems.

But that's fine. Make my alliance richer. It's not like we already have tech.

Juno Valerii
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-01-20 12:23:18 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.



I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I thought the goonies would take anyone. They have standards now? Must have happened after Bastanni left. :)



Maybe they got standards after they invaded STO?
Cpt Roghie
Chemical Invasion Co.
#84 - 2013-01-20 12:33:02 UTC
Gorn Arming wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

Maybe you were rejected because you're really annoying.


This could be fun.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#85 - 2013-01-20 12:37:53 UTC
Stage a coup!

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2013-01-20 13:10:35 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
i also strongly suspect there is an exactly inverse relationship to ones popularity/social experience in real life, to their popularity/social experience in MMOs.


nope, i'm unpopular in both.

Now now. Don't ruin their belief of knowing everything about everybody.
That would totally ruin their bloated ego, you know. ^_^
Especially ShoobyDoobies. ^_^


homo-erotic subtext, right there.
Dave Stark
#87 - 2013-01-20 13:13:45 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:
i also strongly suspect there is an exactly inverse relationship to ones popularity/social experience in real life, to their popularity/social experience in MMOs.


nope, i'm unpopular in both.

Now now. Don't ruin their belief of knowing everything about everybody.
That would totally ruin their bloated ego, you know. ^_^
Especially ShoobyDoobies. ^_^


homo-erotic subtext, right there.



envy is a terrible thing.
Sid Hudgens
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-01-20 19:12:58 UTC
I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.

"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced."
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#89 - 2013-01-21 00:16:07 UTC
I would never want to be part of such a large bloc but I am glad they exist. Know what? I don't need null or a null income, but even as a small organization it is just plain cool to operate in fully hostile territory. Sounds to me the OP should indeed go look for a corp outside of null, it doesn't mean you can't be in null or interact with null if you are not part of a large powerblock. I agree with the intended sentiment but consider these blocks as content providers for our high-risk, high-gain operations. If you are not in one, how they operate on the inside is no longer a problem.

Have you ever been 16? Then you know it is more fun to do things you are not supposed to, then it is to adhere to all kind of rules you don't agree with. My advice is to GTFO and train a covops cloak.Twisted
Goddamned American Capitalist
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-01-21 02:30:43 UTC
Kamden Line wrote:
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
When small groups band together they become the next BoB or NC.

What we need is for 0.0 to not just accommodate the very largest groups, but also smaller alliances. Of course the larger groups should have more space, just don't allow them to claim a quarter of the freaking universe and leave it empty and unused, when many smaller alliances would love to use it.


Sovereignty should be tied to occupancy. Claimed (though unoccupied) systems should have an exponential increase in the Sov Bills. If a system is actively being used and lived in, the Sov Bill should lessen over time (though the costs for Strategic Upgrades would remain the same).

Live in your space and use it and you will be rewarded; Conquer huge tracts of space for little more than moons or lols or to be some sort of absentee landlord and find yourself going bankrupt before your Strategic Indexes hit 2.

This would encourage larger numbers of smaller alliances to fill the voids that would be left. It would create a richer environment for all involved.


Hahaha, oh wow. Considering that most nulsec (ex: Cloud Ring) is utterly worthless space, you actually think that 'small' alliances would step up to fill the void?

No, instead of Alliances owning the core tracts of regions, nulsec would be preppered with a million little renter alliances, living off the largeese of alliances like my own, who would own all of the good sec systems.

But that's fine. Make my alliance richer. It's not like we already have tech.



I think you're highly underestimating the value of even a 0.0 system. Can you show me a high-sec system where you can customize and upgrade the system? No, you can't, because that can't happen. Can you show me a highsec system where you can moon mine? No, you can't, because that can't happen.

Given the chance, I believe that smaller alliances that knew their space was "theirs" would jump at the chance to live in even 0.0 true-sec. But then, what do I know? I am just in an NPC Corp.
Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#91 - 2013-01-21 02:45:33 UTC
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Kamden Line wrote:
Goddamned American Capitalist wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
When small groups band together they become the next BoB or NC.

What we need is for 0.0 to not just accommodate the very largest groups, but also smaller alliances. Of course the larger groups should have more space, just don't allow them to claim a quarter of the freaking universe and leave it empty and unused, when many smaller alliances would love to use it.


Sovereignty should be tied to occupancy. Claimed (though unoccupied) systems should have an exponential increase in the Sov Bills. If a system is actively being used and lived in, the Sov Bill should lessen over time (though the costs for Strategic Upgrades would remain the same).

Live in your space and use it and you will be rewarded; Conquer huge tracts of space for little more than moons or lols or to be some sort of absentee landlord and find yourself going bankrupt before your Strategic Indexes hit 2.

This would encourage larger numbers of smaller alliances to fill the voids that would be left. It would create a richer environment for all involved.


Hahaha, oh wow. Considering that most nulsec (ex: Cloud Ring) is utterly worthless space, you actually think that 'small' alliances would step up to fill the void?

No, instead of Alliances owning the core tracts of regions, nulsec would be preppered with a million little renter alliances, living off the largeese of alliances like my own, who would own all of the good sec systems.

But that's fine. Make my alliance richer. It's not like we already have tech.



I think you're highly underestimating the value of even a 0.0 system. Can you show me a high-sec system where you can customize and upgrade the system? No, you can't, because that can't happen. Can you show me a highsec system where you can moon mine? No, you can't, because that can't happen.

Given the chance, I believe that smaller alliances that knew their space was "theirs" would jump at the chance to live in even 0.0 true-sec. But then, what do I know? I am just in an NPC Corp.


Can you show me a 0.0 nulsec system where the moons are actually worth mining? Can you show me how an alliance would manage to pay the sov costs of holding an upgraded 0.0 without a twenty percent rat tax? Can you show me how smaller alliances wouldn't suddenly band together and form coalitions?

Can you show me how a smaller alliance with true sec 0.0 sov supposes to keep that space without the tech/plat/Neo/good ratting to pay for supers to defend that sov? Can you show me how they would endeavor to destroy the moon mining POSes of larger coalitions like my own, or how suddenly, the CFC would just fall into little pieces because of a CCP nerf?

Again, nothing here is fixed except more renter alliances everywhere. You seem to think that money is a barrier in this game.Considering that Rebel Alliance of New Eden was just purchased for the rumored sum of 500 billion ISK, and Ev0ke was bought off for a confirmed sum of 250 billion ISK, , money is not a barrier to any nulsec alliance holding space now and that isn't just because of their supposed good space/moon mining. Many have some sort of market scheme on the side/PI taxes/other money making schemes in high sec.

Simply increasing sov costs/nerfing Technetium doesn't make players suddenly be unable to find loopholes, exploits, and way around the mechanics. People like you seem to think that unintended consequences are a myth.

But then again, you are just some publord in the NPC corp. Post with your main, or STFU.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2013-01-21 03:01:48 UTC
Sid Hudgens wrote:
I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.

An all-out war between the CFC and HBC wouldn't last long.
The HBC would run out of ISK and beg to keep their space.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#93 - 2013-01-21 03:15:41 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.


Maybe getting your hazmat is easier because you have to 1) apply for it 2) use legal identification 3) turn up to a physical location to do at least parts of the course and my personal favourite 4) you can't shank the instructor, take all their cash, including all their parent company cash, run out of the building, hide in the bushes for a couple of minutes and then go back inside as if nothing happened.

Actually 2) is really important. If I want to get into a course or a job I have to provide a birth certificate, my IRD number, a drivers license or other form of identification and present a bank number for them to deposit cash into. I have to turn up to a physical interview where either one, a group or several separate people will interview me. If they accept me I have to sign a legally binding contract to work hours that they get to specify (or come to an agreement with) with a payrate I accept.

In EvE all I require to get into say goonswarm is follow their instructions (which are freely available) have a valid account on their website for a period they specify and then I'm in. Then I get to play almost anytime I want and do almost anything I want.

I swear it must be opposite to what people spew out over GD. I think the people in null alliances are the 8+ hour a day workers and it is highsec/carebears/nullbears/etc who are the jobless 23/7 no lifers. Anyone who has had a job and thought about the application process that they went through would see anything in EvE is a doddle.
Tesal
#94 - 2013-01-21 03:21:10 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sid Hudgens wrote:
I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.

An all-out war between the CFC and HBC wouldn't last long.
The HBC would run out of ISK and beg to keep their space.


Maybe the HBC abd CFC should declare war on each other on the forums. That's almost as good as a real war.
Bennet Am
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2013-01-21 03:27:59 UTC
Modernize POS management and watch low sec get populated. There is room in the gaps for small corps, but the interface is archaic enough to drive other play choices.

Power projection could also use a look; but, that is not going to happen.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#96 - 2013-01-21 04:50:02 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
people ... it's a carebear troll .. why haven't you realised that yet ?


Test = Carebear?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2013-01-21 05:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Tesal wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sid Hudgens wrote:
I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.

An all-out war between the CFC and HBC wouldn't last long.
The HBC would run out of ISK and beg to keep their space.


Maybe the HBC abd CFC should declare war on each other on the forums. That's almost as good as a real war.

Sometimes I think we already have.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#98 - 2013-01-21 06:34:09 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tesal wrote:
Maybe the HBC abd CFC should declare war on each other on the forums. That's almost as good as a real war.

Sometimes I think we already have.

Forums wardec.

Hostilities will commence in 24 hours.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#99 - 2013-01-21 07:10:31 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
people ... it's a carebear troll .. why haven't you realised that yet ?


Test = Carebear?


You know, you can actually join a major power bloc and still be a carebear. They are usually called nullbears though. Carebear is a state of mind which transcends loyalties to any alliance.
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#100 - 2013-01-21 13:19:47 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.




You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.



Loool this made me laugh so hard because its true :D

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.