EVE General Discussion

Dueling won't be coming in until the Feb. patch if I remember correctly... so something else was at work.

Why did CCP implement Limited Engagements in the first place?

To me is this only another complication of the mechanic. If they had made it so that anyone attacking a suspect player would become suspect, too, then it would have been more powerful with the chance to go viral.

All LEs do is to give players delusions of fair fights, while it leaves questions open and the unknown then scares some players off. It would be better if LEs were a completely isolated mechanic and only to allow duels, but they should not exists as a result of an attack on a suspect player.

It seems the suspect flag and the mechanic was born out of narrow view on how players shall police themselves and then strings got attached to keep it limited, but it is exactly those limits that players always will keep pushing.

Why the limitation and why not a simpler mechanic and more explosions?

their tactics aim at discouraging ninja looters (best case is that the freighter pilot logs off in frustration while aggressed so that they can kill him without any competition at the emergency warp location), they aren't worried about the freighter making it back to the gate if not bumped.

yea

yesterday "Wonder Kids" visited Dodixie and killed Proteus, 2 Guardians, 1 Oneiros of R.B. and friends.... That was funny party

no one attacks because he has at least 3 logistics friends that will help him in a pinch, and they have as many to help them. there is not defeating neutral logistics.

WHAT needs to happen is this:

any pilot providing any form of remote assistance to a suspect flagged should go suspect with the added penalty of station and gate gun aggression.. maby even navy aggression to boot.

AT current there is no risk for the guy that is initially suspect. any fight that he gets in to he has a 99% chance of winning, not because he is LEET at PVP but because he can field x amount of risk free logistical support to aid him. ontop of a firend to bump the aggressor off station.

Its no win for the aggressor, hence people dont usually fight these fags

The blue flag at the top of the screen and "limited engagement" on-screen says something is already in place. I'm obviously in low and EXPECT combat, but this is about joke mechanics. As a long-time software engineer, I know first hand from projects I've inherited what code bloat does. Like a ship stopping at a gate after you've initiated a Jump (worked for years, now it's suddenly hit or miss). Like an alt leaving a corp completely, a corpie in that corp logging in and that toon showing up under "Corp" chat (and he isn't a member of that corp). Like inventory windows closing EVERY TIME when you try to open them in a specific order. Like a window popping up saying "you currently have -4.00 standing with faction and you need 0.00 to join FW" when alt attempting to join is at 3.29 standing with faction (but could join just fine later than day).

Edit: and best of all, my main was flying thru space in his Proteus, just about to cross threshold from L4 Gallente Def Subs to L5, and when he completed L5 his Proteus suddenly had LESS armor HP. LESS. Flying thru space, no changes to fits, just watching stars fly by. And he still has that lower HP to this day.

I don't keep saying "fix the bugs" to see my own type on-screen. I mean it. Bug fixes should be before WiS, before nuking DUSTbunnies from orbit, before more NeX store non-sense.

so whats the problem?

if he wants to sit on the station with a suspect flag so what?

How does it affect your gameplay?

How does it affect anyone else's gameplay?


now i think about it why did i even reply to this thread?

Like this idea. Also, undock with it and it resets.

Now, OP the idea here is that it allows you to gain a limited engagement against everyone that shot you.

As they can dock instantly, they undock in silly tank ships (example, x6 T2 1600mm plates to avoid alphas).

You shoot and they dock. Now, you and that pilot are in a limited engagement.

They switch ships to what looks like is usually a t3 or vindicator, undock and try to kill the person with the limited engagement (as they can receive no assistance now its no longer a suspect being shot).

Either the limited engagement needs to be dropped or suspects can't dock while suspect (which makes more sense to me, but a lot of things that many of you would simply hate make sense to me lol).

That's part of the problem. First one learns how the mechanics work, then the mechanics gets changed and said to be simpler, and here we are accusing each other of not learning it right.

Suspect flags are very usefull for me. Once a player goes suspect around a gate (and you know this because you are sitting just off-grid and aligned spamming your d-scan), there is the option to quickly tackle the suspect and let the gate guns destroy him. Suspect flags make low SP piracy in lowsec very, very viable. With the new gate gun aggro rules, a pirate can have his cake and it eat too. I'm not particularly bothered by a few players sitting on trade hubs waiting to be alpha'd when given such a great intel tool.