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Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2013-01-18 17:31:41 UTC
Not sure if this topic has been discussed before but I was wondering how the community felt on improving the current skill training process.

Currently adding things to queue is quite bland if you ask me. Why not implement a system which rewards players for doing activities while online such as pvp combat, pve combat, etc.

How the player could be rewarded is a SP bar which players earn doing certain activities and at the end of each week/month players can spend these points on skills they like. Now obviously it wouldn't amount to 1million being applied weekly or monthly but maybe a max of 500 points.

Not only would this benefit current players but it would definitely help new players as well feel as if their character is progressing in a meaningful way.

No flaming and please provide constructive feedback as to why or why not this would help/hurt current game mechanics.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-01-18 17:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
No.

First it would reward the people who can play the longest, the casual gamers get shafted.

Second, the reward for doing activities is isk, the activity itself, something that will net you isk or all three.

No.

I know I said no twice but I feel it is such an important thing to say it justtified saying it twice.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#3 - 2013-01-18 17:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.

Edit: Also a system such as this was in Eve early on. It was removed because it was abused.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Zen Dijun
Xoth Inc
The Monarchy
#4 - 2013-01-18 17:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Dijun
Agreeing with the first response, NO!

Consider, however; that there is a benefit to playing more than others. You gain valuable tactical training and gain a significant advantage in PVP over those who practice less. So, in a way, you are gaining experience over other players.

-- Zen
Sejania Tor
Dog Nation
#5 - 2013-01-18 17:39:27 UTC
This isn't wow or any of the other kill ten rats gain experience rpgs. Let's keep what we have and let the others keep theirs.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#6 - 2013-01-18 17:40:53 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.

^This^

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Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2013-01-18 17:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Aston Martin DB5
Mag's wrote:
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.


So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#8 - 2013-01-18 17:43:46 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.


So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it.
No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-01-18 17:44:15 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.


So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.


They do get rewarded.
Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-01-18 17:44:45 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.


So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it.
No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.


So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#11 - 2013-01-18 17:46:41 UTC
This isnt a bad idea, i also been thinking of rewarding people who decide to dedicate some time and effort to this game.
Currently in the first few weeks of the game its almost pointless to play the game since you can hardly do anything.

However there is the problem ofc with players like the above who rather not see players who spend time and effort to get rewarded.

The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#12 - 2013-01-18 17:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.


So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?
Because SP isn't the be all and end all of Eve. It's only one part and works very well as it stands right now. Plus any type of system like this, is open for abuse. This is why it didn't last long the first time it was introduced early on in Eve's life.

Also, there is only grind in Eve, if you want there to be grind in Eve. This promotes it and is wrong for that fact.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Zen Dijun
Xoth Inc
The Monarchy
#13 - 2013-01-18 17:49:36 UTC
Daisai wrote:
This isnt a bad idea, i also been thinking of rewarding people who decide to dedicate some time and effort to this game.
Currently in the first few weeks of the game its almost pointless to play the game since you can hardly do anything.

However there is the problem ofc with players like the above who rather not see players who spend time and effort to get rewarded.

The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.


IF you don't believe experience is a reward in EVE, then you don't truly know this game. ;)
Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-01-18 17:52:16 UTC
Sejania Tor wrote:
This isn't wow or any of the other kill ten rats gain experience rpgs. Let's keep what we have and let the others keep theirs.



Not relating this to any other mmo.

If you like the current system, cool.
Ghazu
#15 - 2013-01-18 17:54:12 UTC
hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-01-18 17:56:55 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:


So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?


Fairness.

Everyone in EVE gains the same amount of SP as everyone else no matter how much time they have to play.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#17 - 2013-01-18 17:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Ghazu wrote:
hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?
Indeed. Also I require a bank in Eve run by NPC bankers, that gives me 5% interest on my ISK.

Edit: Make it 15% or higher.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Carthas Onasi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-01-18 17:59:59 UTC
Making it for SP would turn it into a grind.

I would feel I have to do it to progress properly and I would instantly hate it. The current skill system is actually part of why I started playing.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#19 - 2013-01-18 18:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Daisai
Zen Dijun wrote:
Daisai wrote:
This isnt a bad idea, i also been thinking of rewarding people who decide to dedicate some time and effort to this game.
Currently in the first few weeks of the game its almost pointless to play the game since you can hardly do anything.

However there is the problem ofc with players like the above who rather not see players who spend time and effort to get rewarded.

The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.


IF you don't believe experience is a reward in EVE, then you don't truly know this game. ;)



Lets then remove the reward for isk then when you kill rats in null sec.
The reward is the experience isnt it ? While we are at it lets also remove the option to loot players wrecks.
Its not like you can loot experience.

Saying that experience is a reward when playing this game isnt a valid point.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-01-18 18:03:07 UTC
You as a person is the one who 'levels up' as it where, not your character.
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