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Avatar or Erebus?
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Flardowell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-18 04:24:53 UTC
So I'm in a unique situation, where I have a pilot that I can easily train to either an Erebus or an Avatar.

I'm fully aware its a titan, and i'm fully aware that it "doesn't really matter." None-the-less, I'm curious as to the responses of which to get, erebus vs avatar in this situation? I know the bonuses and effects of each, but overall, which could you say is better and why?

Thanks for the replies!
terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-18 04:31:29 UTC
Giant space genital or giant space potato?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-18 04:39:01 UTC
Erebus
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2013-01-18 05:27:05 UTC
Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#5 - 2013-01-18 05:53:14 UTC
If you're not flying around in a giant phallus there's something wrong with you.
Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#6 - 2013-01-18 05:58:16 UTC
I would personally go for the avatar, because as long as I have a jump gate worth 60 billion ISK, I want it to be as survivable as possible.
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Voidlings
V0IDLINGS
#7 - 2013-01-18 11:55:42 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
I would personally go for the avatar, because as long as I have a jump gate worth 60 billion ISK, I want it to be as survivable as possible.

WTB 60B titans
PM with offers
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#8 - 2013-01-18 12:15:23 UTC
They both jump bridge well enough......
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#9 - 2013-01-18 12:47:39 UTC
Destoya wrote:
Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh


Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus

Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-01-18 12:57:06 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Destoya wrote:
Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh


Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus

Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?


Quite often, a lot of A-hacs around lately...

No Worries
To mare
Advanced Technology
#11 - 2013-01-18 13:10:38 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Destoya wrote:
Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh


Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus

Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?

on what T2 ship you can use a DDD?
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-18 15:16:57 UTC
To mare wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Destoya wrote:
Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh


Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus

Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?

on what T2 ship you can use a DDD?


Boosh. Capital warfare is dominated by armor tanks, where Judgement will cause the least damage of all four types while being on the (arguably) best hull. Should the capital metagame change to favour widespread use of shield tanks, Judgement would be the best DD on the (then arguably) worst hull.

To answer OP's question, I'd say the Avatar is the better pick in terms of practicality in combat. Sure it won't be doing the most damage at point blank, but in those rare supercap brawls, being able to change crystals to adapt to the new prefered optimal in the blink of an eye is worth a lot.

No sig.
Rajere
Vicious Inc
#13 - 2013-01-18 16:33:16 UTC
Erebus is cheaper, if all you're looking for is the bridge.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#14 - 2013-01-18 18:11:44 UTC
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
To mare wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Destoya wrote:
Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh


Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus

Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?

on what T2 ship you can use a DDD?


Boosh. Capital warfare is dominated by armor tanks, where Judgement will cause the least damage of all four types while being on the (arguably) best hull. Should the capital metagame change to favour widespread use of shield tanks, Judgement would be the best DD on the (then arguably) worst hull.

To answer OP's question, I'd say the Avatar is the better pick in terms of practicality in combat. Sure it won't be doing the most damage at point blank, but in those rare supercap brawls, being able to change crystals to adapt to the new prefered optimal in the blink of an eye is worth a lot.



I never once mentioned T2 hulls. Resists apply to T1 hulls, just not as much. If you are flying with 1, 2 or 3 active hardeners on an armor tank, then EM is your lowest resist. If you are using omni tank, the difference is minor due to stacking etc.

I'm not arguing it's less damage, simply saying "It's not as big a deal as people make out". The avatar still rocks. And has insane EHP - which makes a big difference in capital fights.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-01-18 18:17:57 UTC
erebus, because it's a space whale

I should buy an Ishtar.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2013-01-18 19:20:41 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
To mare wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Destoya wrote:
Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh


Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus

Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?

on what T2 ship you can use a DDD?



I never once mentioned T2 hulls. Resists apply to T1 hulls, just not as much. If you are flying with 1, 2 or 3 active hardeners on an armor tank, then EM is your lowest resist. If you are using omni tank, the difference is minor due to stacking etc.

I'm not arguing it's less damage, simply saying "It's not as big a deal as people make out". The avatar still rocks. And has insane EHP - which makes a big difference in capital fights.


Secondary resists don't exist at all on t1 hulls. T1 hulls get the primary resist (so only caldari have extra therm resistance), and since its on armor only, its really irrelevant. From that perspective, thermal is always better, unless there is a high chance the target will be fitting 3 hardeners instead of 4 or 1.

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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-18 22:04:58 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
I never once mentioned T2 hulls. Resists apply to T1 hulls


Maeltstome wrote:
Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus

Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?


wat

No sig.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#18 - 2013-01-19 12:31:22 UTC
Tar. It's just generally a better ship. Bus's usefulness (apart from boosts) died with the tracking nerf.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-01-19 14:10:38 UTC
One that doesn't need loads of ammo.

One that has huge tank

One having excellent dps

One making ladies dream and love touching for a fantastic trip to the other side of the universe.


Lol

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Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-01-19 15:19:23 UTC
WTB T2 Titan. P

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