EVE General Discussion

I can tell you lol. The number 1 barrier to people PVPing is fear of losing. Some people can't handle losing AT ALL and will do anything to avoid it, whether it's hiding in high sec behind CONCORDS skirt or never undocking in null sec unless they have a 250 man fleet with them.

I've noticed this in every game I played. I once asked this question on another game forum:

Which of these 2 scenarios would you enjoy most often??

Option A: You have a match between 2 teams and your team is WAY better or bigger than the other and you mop the floor with your opponents after a very short period of time.

Or

Option B: You have a match between 2 fairly evenly matched sides the game has a lot of back and forth, lots of manuvering, seems to last for ever and at the end of it You and your Team lose.

I'm obviously an Option B guy in a game (option A in real life where you don't get to respawn :) ), but the VAST majority of people who responded to me were Option A people.

I'd rather have fun in a close contest and lose than win every single time by a landslide, but then again, my ego and self worth aren't tied to "winning". Of course the most fun for me would be a close game where my side won lol, but I enjoy the FIGHT, not just the outcome. That's why when I was a Gallente Faction Warfare FC i told people who joined my fleets "I don't DO subtle, we're going to jump straight into the Teeth of the Squids (Caldari) and kill them or die trying". That's my idea of a game.

But most people want to "win" and be the hero and be in a game what they can't be in real life (a hero who gets all the girls). Nothing anyone ever does is going to encourage people like that to risk defeat and thus the bursting of their own mental bubbles.

so true, it's all in the mind
thread titles reminds me of when people says they "physically can't lose weight", as if they are outside the laws of physics or something?
unless someone had their hands blown off in war or something then physically everyone can pvp

I think you have been buying the wrong clone grade mate... You only need Upsilon (45 mil) with your sp

But we digress.

Yes. I usually play about 15 minutes, a week. Also eve boards lies alot for example it has me as a killer of 24 players I never even met before in a war that happened seemingly two years ago. Which then got me labeled in battle clinic as a 'terrorist.' In a silly stupid pvp drama thread.

What are you, young 20's, healthy american male from a middle class background, most significant risk exposure driving? World is your oyster kid.

There are however physical limitations, some of those are caused by chemical interactions in the brain. Not all gamers have the same limitations or options that you do.

That is no reason for the game to disinclude options that may work for some people but not for others.

That statement is a bit of a mandala, please accept it with my compliments.

no actually the only accurate thing there is male
i mean, if you want to do this personal thing then here, i am poor as **** and have something called menieres disease so know what PHYSICALLY UNABLE to do things means
what is going on here is people who just dont LIKE something are (yet again) using an excuse, rather than just coming out and say "i dont care for it"

I think PVP in EVE is extremely over-rated. I am in a PVP crew now and sure there are some fun spots and it is more exciting compared to other MMO's, but frankly I'm starting to see it as more of a pain than anything. I'm just not seeing any return on the massive time investment. EVE PVP isn't terrible, just highly over-rated. I feel like the opportunity cost just to get into some action isn't worth it. I'm not making any money playing grabass trying to chase down a fleeing war target (who started the war, sigh.) It does crack me up when players start chest beating and acting like they are getting the adrenaline rush that you would get skydiving, rappelling from a helo or flying in on a helicopter air assault that had 3 times as many choppers as the apocalypse now village scene; yes I have done all those things. So stop stroking your virtual epeen studs and acting like carebears are crying children because they don't want to wander null for hours on end gate jumping Zzzzz, I've found more currently military and ex military "carebearing" than I have 'leet PVPers."

Getting blowed up isn't fun.

Couldn't agree more. I think, for me, I really started to enjoy PvP (not just try to get into fights) when I started believing I was terrible at EVE. I knew I was going to lose so the wins were cherished and the losses simply accepted.

It's so funny to see my FC talk about "welping" (we got in over our heads rescuing the one dude who's actually welping himself) our "fleet" (three or four dudes) and feeling bad about it. He's so hard on himself, but the rest of us pretty much just say "**** it" and move on. We have a great time losing those ships, and got some kills in the process, so who cares? We'll bear it up for a week or two, buy new ships, and do it again.


I lol'd.

Using skills, tactics, intel, ships, and modules to deny you the fight you want, is a form of PvP. I love sneaking and stealth in games. Getting into and out of a system where players are hunting is fun. Doing it while earning ISK is even better.