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CSM8 - a strong Lowsec candidate anyone?

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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2013-01-17 17:01:52 UTC
I lived trough past 4 expansions i red the minutes and one thing comes to my mind...Where is the lowsec CCP?

I hope there will be a strong candidate for future CSM, because like this we aint going anywhere.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#2 - 2013-01-17 17:07:34 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen and Alekseyev Karrde are two of the most active CSM members in CSM7. Both are from lowsec.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-01-17 17:14:04 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen and Alekseyev Karrde are two of the most active CSM members in CSM7. Both are from lowsec.


Hans was all about Militia. And he did a great job, now when u mention lowsec i start thinking Militiasec.

Alek was about mercenries and small gang pvp.

All of those issues affect in some way lowsec and as the result we got the 15min timer gone (which is a great thing) and the bounty system which is also a nice thing.

But all of those things are sideefects. But what the lowsec is missing is the context and identity.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#4 - 2013-01-17 19:49:04 UTC
Not to toot my own horn, but I think my blog post in my sig has some decent ideas... feel free to hate though.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!

Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-17 21:05:13 UTC
Alek is a BLOBBY NULLSEC NULLBEAR these days, sorry guys!

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2013-01-17 21:33:17 UTC
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:
Not to toot my own horn, but I think my blog post in my sig has some decent ideas... feel free to hate though.


There are some great ideas, but how CCP thinks about lowsec (doesnt think at all), it would need some substantial resources which they are not ready to put in.

****What i had in mind is to give to lowsec a purpose, an identity. The purpose is a quick buck (at least faster and bigger isk rewards than highsec) the identity would be the transition btw highsec and lowsec into null and viceversa.

How to achieve those things?

***Quick buck

- Exploration
- Missions
- Mining (Drug manufacturing should be available in lowsec too)
(the new tagforsec idea is very welcomed into this script)

All of those activities need to be doable fast but yield more isk than they do in highsec.

- Exploration: There is need a faster spawn rate of plexes (1-3/10). U dont want bears come form highsec and search for hours for something meaningful, because they ll be probably dead.
- Missions: Lot and faster NPC spawns. Shorter but dense missions.
- Rare spawn of dense rare materials in standard asteroids, which u can deplete in15 mins max and should yield a nice amount of isk.

Hint: There would be a need of fine tuning. These activities shouldnt be to short so that the bears have chance to be caught. Risk vs reward should be present. 15 min should be enough for each.

***Transition Highsec<>Lowsec<>WH or Nullsec

There are few stakeholders that are meaningfull for this transition:
- Casual highsec visitors (they are after the quick buck and we settled them with previous tips)

The other group is:
- Corps/Alliances that became too good for highsec and they want to try the end game (WH/Nullsec). The trial for the endgame should be Lowsec, but how to motivate those group to try first lowsec? Bare with me little more and i it will be a bit more clear.
- Booted Nullsec Alliances/Corps. They should retire into lowsec, reorginize and consolidate. But why would they do that when u literally will have harder time to survive in lowsec than in null? Answer coming soon.
- Entities that like Lowsec mechanics (organized corps, mercenaries, pirates etc.)

- And Militia. But i want talk to much about them. Cos they are now a sec for themselves and are standing pretty good.

The problem is that the Lowsec atm. is like null on steroids (difficulty wise) for entities trying to be self sufficient and survive. The isk is very very poor and not there is not lot going on, not a lot ppl to shoot at.

Whats was the motivation to change the situation. Again the same 3 saviours:

- Exploration: 4,5,6/10 plexes should be more present around lowsec.
- Missions: Lv 4 missions should ve the quality risen at least double to 40.
- Minning: More meaningful gravitometric anomalies. With dense asteroids that can be depleted faster and yield same or even more than normal.
- Lowsec stations sohuld be buffed a bit

And the ultimate motivation, sovereignty?

Highsec should ve the beggining of the ownership with POSs.
Militia has its own sovereignty
WH has its own. U can claim a WH and make it a fortress, almost inpenetrable.
And Null sec that we know all about.

Sow what kind of sovereignty Lowsec needs?
Not the generic, stadardized sov, but fictional. Sov claimed by presence and dominion in an area. But to motivate that dominion we need that area to be a bit more special.

My corp recently moved into a system, attractive one and i think we made our presence noticed. We achieved some kind of dominion because all entities that were around before, are not anymore. Why we choose that system. It has some nice composition of moons, where we settled our pocos. We receive taxes and do our own PI. it is connected with highsec. Which means some more taxes trough PI and camping opportunity. It has 2 lv 4 agents and 1 lv 5. The system is pretty good but is not even close enough. All of our members have alts elsewhere adding helping our mains and corp to be competitive.

So how to make the areas interesting for dominion.
Make them special. Make some constellations or systems have higher spawn rate for 4,5,6/10 plexes. Make some areas awesome for mining industry. Make some places awesome for drug manufacturing and some with awesome agents. Make some stations having even bigger bonuses. Some with lots of WH openings.

That kind of lowsec would be damn attractive. And would make a perfect highway for Nullsec with some motels.

And in my opinion only when that kind of Lowsec is balanced compared to Highsec, u will have easier time to revamp Nullsec and u ll know exaclty what to buff and how to buff.




BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#7 - 2013-01-18 12:52:47 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
I hope there will be a strong candidate for future CSM

So do I.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-18 23:21:29 UTC
Pinky Feldman.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-01-18 23:30:05 UTC
noted.

I am sure i can encourage few lowsec entities to vote and bring a strong lowsec candidate into CSM.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#10 - 2013-01-19 12:16:47 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Alek is a BLOBBY NULLSEC NULLBEAR these days, sorry guys!

You saing he joined CFC... oh wait Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Frying Doom
#11 - 2013-01-19 12:27:41 UTC
I think the biggest problem is that besides FW and a place for pirates to hang around gates, no one really knows what to do with lo-sec.

I think if someone had a strong enough vision for what they wanted to do with it, it could go some where but at the moment it is just the FW bit between Null and Hi-sec.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2013-01-19 12:34:18 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Pinky Feldman.


Will never run, as much as he's been a big help in 2012. Marc Scaurus, former Tusker, WILL be running. And he has my endorsement. He constantly challenged me to do my best for the low sec community, especially those outside of Faction Warfare, and I couldn't imagine a better man to take my place in the coming year. He will have one of my votes.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-01-22 09:02:37 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Pinky Feldman.


Will never run, as much as he's been a big help in 2012. Marc Scaurus, former Tusker, WILL be running. And he has my endorsement. He constantly challenged me to do my best for the low sec community, especially those outside of Faction Warfare, and I couldn't imagine a better man to take my place in the coming year. He will have one of my votes.


As Hans stated Marc Scaurus is a sure candidate to represent lowsec. U can read some of his words on his blog.

He has a good history with lowsec so i am quite confident he can do very well. He is atm in a nullsec Alliance, but apparently he dropped roles and he s getting back to his roots. That was my only real concern about him and now it is pretty much solved.

Well i wish him luck.

There is a thread ongoing on failheap forums (see my signature) where many lowsec entities are trying to look into it more deeply. Some more possible candidate rised their voices about CSM8 candidature, but till now Marc seems the most promitent one.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-01-23 14:10:09 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Pinky Feldman.


Will never run, as much as he's been a big help in 2012. Marc Scaurus, former Tusker, WILL be running. And he has my endorsement. He constantly challenged me to do my best for the low sec community, especially those outside of Faction Warfare, and I couldn't imagine a better man to take my place in the coming year. He will have one of my votes.


I don't know Marc, but if he's good enough for Hans, he's good enough for me.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

SmarncaV2
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-03-21 15:26:12 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Pinky Feldman.


Will never run, as much as he's been a big help in 2012. Marc Scaurus, former Tusker, WILL be running. And he has my endorsement. He constantly challenged me to do my best for the low sec community, especially those outside of Faction Warfare, and I couldn't imagine a better man to take my place in the coming year. He will have one of my votes.



What Zloco is trying to say that we need a candidate that does actual fleet pvp not mostly solo stuff.
There are quite a few big groups in lowsec that love a good fleet fight and not just with cruisers.

Hans you were suporting the enhanced sentry gun damage and lost all my respect back then.-
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-03-21 16:25:43 UTC
SmarncaV2 wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Pinky Feldman.


Will never run, as much as he's been a big help in 2012. Marc Scaurus, former Tusker, WILL be running. And he has my endorsement. He constantly challenged me to do my best for the low sec community, especially those outside of Faction Warfare, and I couldn't imagine a better man to take my place in the coming year. He will have one of my votes.



What Zloco is trying to say that we need a candidate that does actual fleet pvp not mostly solo stuff.
There are quite a few big groups in lowsec that love a good fleet fight and not just with cruisers.

Hans you were suporting the enhanced sentry gun damage and lost all my respect back then.-


Actually both the solo and small gang pvp is important. But as i see the actually state, we are out of promising lowsec candidates.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#17 - 2013-03-24 02:00:10 UTC
A little cross posting:

Lowsec may not be one of my primary election points, but it is one I care about. High and Null get a lot of 'this needs balanced', and tbh, Low needs it too. Maybe not as a place for a lot of people to live, but a place for people to dip into, to gather resources, and hence provide targets for those people who decide to live there. Ideally the resource gathered isn't ISK, but something to be used to make things.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/2013/03/21/lowsec-csm8-trail/

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-03-24 12:40:41 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
A little cross posting:

Lowsec may not be one of my primary election points, but it is one I care about. High and Null get a lot of 'this needs balanced', and tbh, Low needs it too. Maybe not as a place for a lot of people to live, but a place for people to dip into, to gather resources, and hence provide targets for those people who decide to live there. Ideally the resource gathered isn't ISK, but something to be used to make things.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/2013/03/21/lowsec-csm8-trail/


I like the step 6 only. Step 5 is meh not bad, but it is like the others to much trouble for CCP. Lowsec needs little things that the code already supports with minimal changes smth like u mentioned in step 6.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
#19 - 2013-03-25 12:00:16 UTC
Hans has enough knowledge about lowsec and not enough hubris to be pedantic and holier-than-thou about it. I'd really check his candidacy if you're looking for a lowsec focused candidate that can also hold on his own when it comes to other topics.

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7

Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-03-25 17:28:30 UTC
Didnt Hans announce that he wouldnt candidate for CSM 8 ?

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

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