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Dev blog: You have insulted my honor - I demand satisfaction! Dueling comes to EVE Online

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Danny Hanther
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2013-01-17 19:27:13 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Duels in hisec
…have existed since roughly forever. Why are people so upset that they're restoring lost functionality? Is it because the issuer can't call in the help from his logi alts with impunity any more?


You missed the point, which is this

bufnitza calatoare wrote:
this is 1 to 3 steps away from high sec arena's

sounds a little... http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2013-01-17 19:29:04 UTC
Not sure how this is exciting....it's not a duel when you can still have outside interference.....
Basically you are returning a functionality that you broke with crimewatch....Oops


Should have listened to me CCP.....Lol
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2013-01-17 19:29:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
You missed the point, which is this
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
this is 1 to 3 steps away from high sec arena's
No, that is not a point. It's a slippery slope fallacy based on pure ignorance of how the game works.

Restoration of lost functionality does not inexorably lead to instancing and insular protection, especially when nothing of the kind existed in either the original and the revamped implementation.

So the point remains: why are people so upset over the broken things getting fixed?

Othran wrote:
No its not as we'll see in the next 6 months.
Nice lack of explanation there.
In what way is it not a restoration of lost functionality?
Othran
Route One
#144 - 2013-01-17 19:31:54 UTC
fukier wrote:
Othran wrote:
Tippia wrote:
This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them. No new or special benefits are being handed out.


No its not as we'll see in the next 6 months.

You want to fight someone in high-sec then what's the problem? Don't do it on station - oh look 99% of high-sec warfare fixed P


its called a fleet and wtm... so no not 99% fixed you ding bat!



Corrrect numbnuts it IS called a fleet.

Want a 1v1 then fleet up with opponent and warp off somewhere. Opponent brings in help then live and learn. Much like life outside the happy clappy bubble Lol
realdognose
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-01-17 19:32:48 UTC
CCP, don't do this!

You are killing Zero-Zero / Lowsec-Solo PVP....

Whats next?
Duel between fleets?
Duel between corps?
Duel between alliances?

And there goes the sandbox...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#146 - 2013-01-17 19:34:54 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
I don't like the direction this is taking us quite honestly. What's next, the loser of the duel reappears in a ghost ship and has to warp to his wreck where everything re-materializes?
Did that ever happen in the old system?
No. So what on earth gave you the idiotic idea that it would ever happen under the new one?

Quote:
Edit: Also, will "everyone spam duel request" be the new "everyone spam convo"? Or perhaps both?
You know… maybe it would help if you actually read what you're commenting on before posting. Oh, and if you understood some basic game mechanics before complaining about how something that has always existed is somehow new and scary…
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
#147 - 2013-01-17 19:34:58 UTC
Malrock wrote:
All fine for fun, but please, put under game client generic options a checkmark for auto declining all duel requests.

Thank You.


I'm fine with this but for the love of Bob, this.
Arec Bardwin
#148 - 2013-01-17 19:35:00 UTC
At least work in the option to force the duel to stop at 50% hull, if so chosen by one of the dueling parties.
bufnitza calatoare
#149 - 2013-01-17 19:35:33 UTC
Othran wrote:
fukier wrote:
Othran wrote:
Tippia wrote:
This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them. No new or special benefits are being handed out.


No its not as we'll see in the next 6 months.

You want to fight someone in high-sec then what's the problem? Don't do it on station - oh look 99% of high-sec warfare fixed P


its called a fleet and wtm... so no not 99% fixed you ding bat!



Corrrect numbnuts it IS called a fleet.

Want a 1v1 then fleet up with opponent and warp off somewhere. Opponent brings in help then live and learn. Much like life outside the happy clappy bubble Lol



people are still going to use OGB's and will have neutral or corp logi. because once you are in that safe spot... its too late.

and in the eventual case of OGB's being nerfed to on grid. people will use OnGB that are neutral in some aspect in high sec.

end of the day people will still get bent over anf ****** without the aggressor/challenger buying them dinner 1st.
Sarah Chambers
Nova Crystallis
#150 - 2013-01-17 19:36:23 UTC
If you add a bunch of useless stuff : consider adding mining duels ...

What's next ? Racing Tracks ?
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#151 - 2013-01-17 19:37:48 UTC


You do realize that the 'slippery slope fallacy' argument does not somehow mean that it is now impossible that the feared result can never come about. It just means it is not automatically going to happen. Sometimes when they keep raising tuition, it really does climb to $40,000 eventually.

No good deed goes unpunished

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#152 - 2013-01-17 19:39:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them.


Pretty sure that wasn't accidental since CCP decided that the consequences of stealing stuff from a can would be disproportionate to the act itself, because they got tired of AFK miners being can flipped

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Merouk Baas
#153 - 2013-01-17 19:40:58 UTC
Quote:
Greetings most honorable space pilots!


Oh, well, I guess that's about as far as I'll read, then. Clearly this blog is not intended for me. I'll let the "most honorable" people read it, maybe they'll tell me what it says.
SlapNuts
Weave
#154 - 2013-01-17 19:41:55 UTC

Allowing dueling just makes me think OMG this is WoW, now i have to turn on my auto ignore because i will be spammed with duel requests when in High Sec..

I guess for me this just takes away from the rep this game has as hard core, if you want to duel make a safe, drop a can and fight, no one will bug you, go to low sec and fight it out, jump into 0.0 or do it the hard core style and just attack the guy and kill him before concord gets you...

Is this duel system really needed? Stop the spam now before it happens.
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#155 - 2013-01-17 19:42:24 UTC
Please excuse me, I need to scurry off to the Dojo and make nefarious plans on how to abuse the **** out of this Lol

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.

Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2013-01-17 19:42:56 UTC
There better be a way to block dueling requests altogether instead of by character. I'd hate to have people send out duel requests in the middle of a low-sec furball: "WTF GET THIS **** OUT OF MY FACE!!!"

CCP has no sense of humour.

Maxpie
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#157 - 2013-01-17 19:43:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
I don't like the direction this is taking us quite honestly. What's next, the loser of the duel reappears in a ghost ship and has to warp to his wreck where everything re-materializes?
Did that ever happen in the old system?
No. So what on earth gave you the idiotic idea that it would ever happen under the new one?

Quote:
Edit: Also, will "everyone spam duel request" be the new "everyone spam convo"? Or perhaps both?
You know… maybe it would help if you actually read what you're commenting on before posting. Oh, and if you understood some basic game mechanics before complaining about how something that has always existed is somehow new and scary…


Why not? To please our WoW refugee friends, we could add arenas, maybe add 'daily' missions. How about pets? The possibilities are limitless really. And more seriously, yes, like with every mechanic in Eve, people will find some way to abuse it.

No good deed goes unpunished

Merouk Baas
#158 - 2013-01-17 19:44:04 UTC
How about AUTO REJECT DUEL INVITATIONS?
Coolmer
Kanizsa triangle
#159 - 2013-01-17 19:45:44 UTC
I think there be time to put redirection on www.eveonline.com --> eu.battle.net/wow/en/
Because with this "good" changes we go in that direction.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2013-01-17 19:46:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
You missed the point, which is this
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
this is 1 to 3 steps away from high sec arena's
No, that is not a point. It's a slippery slope fallacy based on pure ignorance of how the game works.

Restoration of lost functionality does not inexorably lead to instancing and insular protection, especially when nothing of the kind existed in either the original and the revamped implementation.

So the point remains: why are people so upset over the broken things getting fixed?



It's not the announced mechanic that is bad, get it. It's the growing demand and thus the chance of a weird direction to MMO arena stuff.

If CCP declares here that there won't be a special pvp arena on TQ, I wouldn't care less about the "lost mechanic".

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.