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Dev blog: You have insulted my honor - I demand satisfaction! Dueling comes to EVE Online

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#281 - 2013-01-18 19:56:14 UTC
Warp Planet6 wrote:
Idea of duels is fine.


In lowsec.

(You don't fight in the bar, you go outside ...)

LOL, maybe where YOU live.... Smile

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#282 - 2013-01-18 20:01:24 UTC
Eric 'Swiftmind' Siraron wrote:
Sounds like a great addition.

I agree with these changes:
-Auto decline duel request in my settings
-Duel requests dont have keyboard hotkeys in case I accidently type something and agree to it
-Change the sword logo
-Track duel results separately from normal kills. Different evemail tag or what not.

These are reasonable requests.

I'm not sure why some people are having trouble with the fact that thousands of these "duels" have happened every day in EvE for several years... and are popular with many pilots.

When game mechanics changed to make that lifestyle much more difficult (unintentionally) a new mechanic has been introduced to resolve the issue.

Losses still happen, pilots still end up in their clones... the only difference between this and regular PVP situations is that they are consensual (as they have always been with the old mechanic)... and as long as our normal options for non-consensual PVP are still in place there really isn't much to complain about.

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Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#283 - 2013-01-18 20:13:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Warp Planet6
Shereza wrote:


What parts of EVE other than high-sec have a police force which requires two (or more) consenting adults to jump though a step other than control+left-clicking -> F1-F8 in order to engage in consensual PvP?


Lowsec has consensual pvp all over the place. Yeah, risky and stuff and not for the kids Cool

Ranger 1 wrote:

I'm not sure why some people are having trouble with the fact that thousands of these "duels" have happened every day in EvE for several years... and are popular with many pilots.

When game mechanics changed to make that lifestyle much more difficult (unintentionally) a new mechanic has been introduced to resolve the issue.


In my case I think any kind of restricted pvp or consensual pvp as an official game mechanic could lead to a weird direction that reminds me of MMOs that I do not want to play anymore. Eve is different because exactly of this point: open world, consequences and no such stuff like battlegrounds etc.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#284 - 2013-01-18 20:27:39 UTC
Warp Planet6 wrote:

Ranger 1 wrote:

I'm not sure why some people are having trouble with the fact that thousands of these "duels" have happened every day in EvE for several years... and are popular with many pilots.

When game mechanics changed to make that lifestyle much more difficult (unintentionally) a new mechanic has been introduced to resolve the issue.


In my case I think any kind of restricted pvp or consensual pvp as an official game mechanic could lead to a weird direction that reminds me of MMOs that I do not want to play anymore. Eve is different because exactly of this point: open world, consequences and no such stuff like battlegrounds etc.

This isn't battlegrounds as I understand them. These duels take place in the same open world and are open to the same undesired interference as any other activity. It in no way restricts your ability to act against a person outside of a duel either, nor does it remove the consequences for doing so. There is literally no loss or restriction here. Only a gain.
Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#285 - 2013-01-18 20:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Warp Planet6
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Warp Planet6 wrote:

Ranger 1 wrote:

I'm not sure why some people are having trouble with the fact that thousands of these "duels" have happened every day in EvE for several years... and are popular with many pilots.

When game mechanics changed to make that lifestyle much more difficult (unintentionally) a new mechanic has been introduced to resolve the issue.


In my case I think any kind of restricted pvp or consensual pvp as an official game mechanic could lead to a weird direction that reminds me of MMOs that I do not want to play anymore. Eve is different because exactly of this point: open world, consequences and no such stuff like battlegrounds etc.

This isn't battlegrounds as I understand them. These duels take place in the same open world and are open to the same undesired interference as any other activity. It in no way restricts your ability to act against a person outside of a duel either, nor does it remove the consequences for doing so. There is literally no loss or restriction here. Only a gain.


Agreed, if kept at a level as is and this mechanic won't grow to an arena bubble. I see several requests for exavtly that only in this thread. I bet there are more in the F&I section, just can't search now.
Thecla Elarik
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#286 - 2013-01-18 20:45:46 UTC
Malrock wrote:
a checkmark for auto declining all duel requests


re-hashing the need for this
Ibeau Renoir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#287 - 2013-01-18 20:52:49 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
The most of us seem to agree that high sec is working as intended and that null is some how broken. So we get dueling and no new poses?

That's like complaining that you're wasting time on a short hill walk when you really want to climb all the Himalayas.

Ceci n'est pas un sig.
Ibeau Renoir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2013-01-18 21:03:32 UTC
I'm not sure how assistance interacts with this for larger fights than 1v1.

Example: A and B want a 2v2 with X and Y. A challenges X and Y, B challenges X and Y, all challenges accepted. So there are limited engagements A <-> X, A <-> Y, B <-> X and B <-> Y.

They warp to a save spot and start shooting. Then A reps B.

What happens? Does A get suspect-flagged for interfering with a limited engagement?

Ceci n'est pas un sig.
Kalenn Istarion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#289 - 2013-01-18 21:38:52 UTC
Two step wrote:
To all the folks posting here and POSes, please stop. This has nothing at all to do with the POS system, until I can challenge another POS to a duel.


^^ Feature idea right here. Time to revamp POSes to allow for structure duels (and make them not ****).

I'm not a hi-sec battle specialist, but taking Ibeau's point a different way, let's say A duels B, and A's logistics alt C starts a duel with A, which A accepts. C can then rep A without a suspect flag, but C is not in a duel with B, so is not a legal target. This takes us back to exactly what was happening with neutral logi before all the changes to Crimewatch, doesn't it?

Try Harder.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#290 - 2013-01-18 21:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
Don't know if this was mentioned, I came a day or so late to the discussion and there are now 13 pages of comments.

It would be nice if there was a mechanic where one could specifically request a one-vs-one duel and *not* a one-and-everyone-they-know-who-will-remote-rep-them-across-grid-and-whose-friends-will-apply-massive-dps-as-they-swarm-from-the-station-vs-one-sorry-shmuck.

Simple checkbox for a strict one-on-one that prevents any other party from involvement (similar to the green safety button but enforced server-side).
Sven Viko VIkolander
In space we are briefly free
#291 - 2013-01-18 22:27:20 UTC
Sugar Kyle wrote:
Someone asked earlier about displaying the won duels. I'd like to expand upon the concept of persistent information with duels to something like a character sheet entry (win/loss/duel) or maybe something on the kill report or even a notification sent.

The reason is for corporations like my own. One of the only rules we have is that you honor 1v1s or you will be kicked. If you don't want to honor it, don't take it and just kill them normally. I've had to go through chat logs before to figure out if the 1v1 was accepted or not when complaints have been made. It'd be nice to have a simple 'you said yes' notification to work off of.

If they can be honorable let us hold them to their honor?


I like this idea. MOAR STATS MOAR STATS RAWR is what I say.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#292 - 2013-01-18 22:48:25 UTC
Now please add battlegrounds, so we can take pvp further away from sporadic pvp areas, and put it into ruled and regulated areas, making the rest of Eve even more stagant.

Two thumbs way down here guys.
Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#293 - 2013-01-18 22:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Warp Planet6
Haifisch Zahne wrote:

It would be nice if there was a mechanic where one could specifically request a one-vs-one duel and *not* a one-and-everyone-they-know-who-will-remote-rep-them-across-grid-and-whose-friends-will-apply-massive-dps-as-they-swarm-from-the-station-vs-one-sorry-shmuck.


Not sure what the purpose of that kind of "pvp" is. e-peen? mine larger than yours? I pvp because stuff needs to explode and people need to crty about horrible losses to proceed. If someone calls his friends, that's bad, yes. Next time I will do better (instead of demanding a button).
Lord Leftfield
Doomheim
#294 - 2013-01-18 23:37:28 UTC

I've compiled a list over stuff that people have mentioned, and given others a spin of my own. General stuff I feel is important. Big smile


  • Auto reject option is required for non combatents
  • Text rewrite please, no need for the huge timer. Maybe something more in the likes of the sessiontimer.
  • Better image of sword, and smaller box for a less annoying popup.
  • Anychance accepting duel would remove applied fleet bonuses? Alot of turnament people would be very pleased by such an small detail :)
  • Stats and such for the lads that like to duel, so they show their e-peen when ever they feel it, could work like medals etc etc
  • Repping a duelist should cause a suspect flag, and attacking a suspect that reps a duelist, should not cause a le, but direct suspect status.
  • Awsome sound to intitiate the start of the duel.
  • Imo it should be allowed to kill the pod legally, if you can catch it. Its a duel to death ofc.. Attention
  • Flagging the KM, to make it show as a result from dueling.
  • Enable the popup to be minimized.





LL

Life is just a 420 all the way home :) Please give me more of that chocolate brew!!
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#295 - 2013-01-19 00:31:45 UTC
Warp Planet6 wrote:
Shereza wrote:


What parts of EVE other than high-sec have a police force which requires two (or more) consenting adults to jump though a step other than control+left-clicking -> F1-F8 in order to engage in consensual PvP?


Lowsec has consensual pvp all over the place. Yeah, risky and stuff and not for the kids Cool


Where in low-sec is there a police force which requires two (or more) consenting adults to jump though a step other than control+left-clicking -> F1-F8 in order to engage in consensual PvP?
Verlaine Glariant
The Kudur Cult
#296 - 2013-01-19 01:50:29 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
Finally I can have truly honourable combat!

1v1 at the sun is now a real 1v1!

Yeah, because you couldn't 1v1 with the current mechanics.
Roll
Not in hi-sec. No.

www.amphysvena.org
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#297 - 2013-01-19 02:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
It is a valid option. Sorry you can't entertain ideas of what others want.

And, I hadn't realized that PvP had any other purpose than "e-peen".



Warp Planet6 wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:

It would be nice if there was a mechanic where one could specifically request a one-vs-one duel and *not* a one-and-everyone-they-know-who-will-remote-rep-them-across-grid-and-whose-friends-will-apply-massive-dps-as-they-swarm-from-the-station-vs-one-sorry-shmuck.


Not sure what the purpose of that kind of "pvp" is. e-peen? mine larger than yours? I pvp because stuff needs to explode and people need to crty about horrible losses to proceed. If someone calls his friends, that's bad, yes. Next time I will do better (instead of demanding a button).
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#298 - 2013-01-19 02:33:47 UTC
Well, it was bound to happen sometime I suppose. o.O
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#299 - 2013-01-19 02:39:25 UTC
oh.. also.. maybe I'll actually have half a chance to win a fight.. not!! lol Sad part is, dueling will be accompanied by unchallenged remote reppers and assistance because nobody ever chalkenges them


Honestly, I haven't figured out yet whether Highsec players around stations that have these sort of activities are just bored, uninterested, apathetic, or .. on the opposite side. Clearly, the last possibility has the greatest possibility of being the correct answer; esle, why would they be hanging around outside the station watching the games to begin with. Clearly, they are evil observators!! StraightArrow
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#300 - 2013-01-19 04:14:56 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
oh.. also.. maybe I'll actually have half a chance to win a fight.. not!! lol Sad part is, dueling will be accompanied by unchallenged remote reppers and assistance because nobody ever chalkenges them


Honestly, I haven't figured out yet whether Highsec players around stations that have these sort of activities are just bored, uninterested, apathetic, or .. on the opposite side. Clearly, the last possibility has the greatest possibility of being the correct answer; esle, why would they be hanging around outside the station watching the games to begin with. Clearly, they are evil observators!! StraightArrow

Question: Since this uses the limited engagement system and that flags neutral RR as suspect does that not mean that you can have "honor assurance" backup on standby?