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Can't believe how many CSM/CCP employees want a theme park

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Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-01-17 13:55:40 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


That's a load of crap. You're basically saying all pvp in highsec is a result of someone wanting to childishly irk someone else. That's a silly statement and you know it. Even if it wasn't though, you haven't provided any reason why doing that shouldn't be mechanically possible, other than saying you don't want it to be.


I think things are out of whack. PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked, you want to go gank them. I want to PVP people like you but you want to hide in hisec hypocritically under the same Concord protection that the PVE people enjoy that you bemoan. I know what you are doing in a hisec belt in your Thrasher but I can't jack you because you are just as safe as the carebears until you decide at your safe leisure to LOLOVERHEATPEWPEWW.
PVP is like spinach, if you are forced to have it when you are young you don't want it when you grow up. Let the PVE people skill up, mine, make isk in peace in hisec and then let them get rich and bored and come to low null and play. You griefers cause your own problem, you turn noobs off to PVP from the start and they just never want to get into PVP.



the ****?
There are a TON of carebears in null. You should know this if you are there as you infer that you are.
YOu don't get to define what PVP is. You also don't get to define what griefing is. If you don't like 'griefing' then ask the PVE'ers to put bounties on the 'griefers' who are 'griefing' them and YOU go hunt them down and exact revenge.

Riedle
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-01-17 13:56:21 UTC
admiral root wrote:
[quote=Mister S Burke]

BTW, I realise you're just trying to live up to your name, but Concord don't protect suicide gankers; they shoot them.


Sure they do, no one mentions this hypocrisy. That suicide ganker is safe as can be until it's too late. I know what those Thrashers are doing, can't touch them because Concord keeps them safe too until they want to suicide when it pleases them.
Lin Suizei
#43 - 2013-01-17 13:56:30 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
I know what you are doing in a hisec belt in your Thrasher but I can't jack you because you are just as safe as the carebears until you decide at your safe leisure to LOLOVERHEATPEWPEWW.


Hi have you actually seen a suicide ganker before?

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#44 - 2013-01-17 13:58:34 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Sure they do, no one mentions this hypocrisy. That suicide ganker is safe as can be until it's too late. I know what those Thrashers are doing, can't touch them because Concord keeps them safe too until they want to suicide when it pleases them.

Maybe you've heard of security status?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#45 - 2013-01-17 14:02:51 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked, you want to go gank them.


And if they want to do so in perfect safety there are other games out there. If they want to *attempt* to PvE without being ganked then that's fine.

Mister S Burke wrote:
I want to PVP people like you but you want to hide in hisec hypocritically under the same Concord protection that the PVE people enjoy that you bemoan.


There are plenty of suicide gankers who operate at -10, so no, they don't get Concord protection at all.

Mister S Burke wrote:
PVP is like spinach, if you are forced to have it when you are young you don't want it when you grow up. Let the PVE people skill up, mine, make isk in peace in hisec and then let them get rich and bored and come to low null and play.


That's a lovely theory, but people like Test and Goons have proven that you don't have to do all that to be able to PvP. Also, do we have any metrics to show those people ever migrate to low / null in any significant numbers, or are you just making things up? I did exactly that, but that's hardly a statistically significant sample. P

Mister S Burke wrote:
You griefers cause your own problem, you turn noobs off to PVP from the start and they just never want to get into PVP.


I'm guessing you mean newbies, not noobs, as they're two different things. Being ganked and podded should be part of the newbie tutorial - the quicker people realise the true nature of the game the sooner they can see if it's the game for them. It would also help prevent the culture of entitlement from whiners who, having been left alone in the past, feel that it's somehow terribly wrong that then have anyone interfere in their ability to make piles of isk.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-01-17 14:03:32 UTC
Riedle wrote:
[quote=Mister S Burke] You also don't get to define what griefing is.

Riedle


I sure do and I just did. I've been playing games since the 80's so I know my way around gamers and the game culture. Griefing has and always will be taking advantage of someone who can't fight back. EVE has hardly reinvented the wheel here.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-01-17 14:05:52 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Sure they do, no one mentions this hypocrisy. That suicide ganker is safe as can be until it's too late. I know what those Thrashers are doing, can't touch them because Concord keeps them safe too until they want to suicide when it pleases them.

Maybe you've heard of security status?


Maybe you're heard of alts?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#48 - 2013-01-17 14:06:18 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Riedle wrote:
[quote=Mister S Burke] You also don't get to define what griefing is.

Riedle


I sure do and I just did. I've been playing games since the 80's so I know my way around gamers and the game culture. Griefing has and always will be taking advantage of someone who can't fight back. EVE has hardly reinvented the wheel here.


You and me both - I remember pong, space invaders and asteroids. Griefing is still defined by CCP in Eve's case, not by you, because they're the ones who ban people for it.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#49 - 2013-01-17 14:07:28 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Sure they do, no one mentions this hypocrisy. That suicide ganker is safe as can be until it's too late. I know what those Thrashers are doing, can't touch them because Concord keeps them safe too until they want to suicide when it pleases them.

Maybe you've heard of security status?


Maybe you're heard of alts?


Maybe you've heard of people who use dedicated suicide gank alts and, in full compliance with the EULA, don't recycle them. They keep on blowing ships up while -10.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-01-17 14:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Mister S Burke wrote:
admiral root wrote:
[quote=Mister S Burke]

BTW, I realise you're just trying to live up to your name, but Concord don't protect suicide gankers; they shoot them.


Sure they do, no one mentions this hypocrisy. That suicide ganker is safe as can be until it's too late. I know what those Thrashers are doing, can't touch them because Concord keeps them safe too until they want to suicide when it pleases them.


You could always get in a thrasher and gank them.

Just to summarise, I think ganking is fine (well, the counter to ganking is ganking really) but wardecs are basically a waste of time. It almost always just turns out to be 'game denial' because people won't undock while there's a wardec active.

I think the game would be better if people actually got in their spaceships and shot their guns at each other, but wardecs aren't going to trigger that behavior on their own.
Anslo
Scope Works
#51 - 2013-01-17 14:09:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Thanks for calling it griefing at least. Now I think you are confusing death penalty with griefing. I say again that you won't hear people say "man remember when EVE online had to be shut down when they removed some ganker alts ability to suicide gank someone." I would add that if suicide ganking in hisec is such a big part of your EVE play then you are doing it wrong.

You're suggesting that I'm playing a sandbox wrong?


You and your kind suggest everyone else is playing the sandbox wrong everyday. Cool

Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Maybe you've heard of security status?


That you easily avoid.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#52 - 2013-01-17 14:09:33 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
You could always get in a thrasher and gank them.


Time, effort, isk/hr, sinking to our level, etc. Big smile

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2013-01-17 14:11:03 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:

I think things are out of whack. PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked, you want to go gank them. I want to PVP people like you but you want to hide in hisec hypocritically under the same Concord protection that the PVE people enjoy that you bemoan. I know what you are doing in a hisec belt in your Thrasher but I can't jack you because you are just as safe as the carebears until you decide at your safe leisure to LOLOVERHEATPEWPEWW.
PVP is like spinach, if you are forced to have it when you are young you don't want it when you grow up. Let the PVE people skill up, mine, make isk in peace in hisec and then let them get rich and bored and come to low null and play. You griefers cause your own problem, you turn noobs off to PVP from the start and they just never want to get into PVP.


War dec him, gank him, bimp him, tank your ships ect ect.

Its still not griefing its us using game mechanics made available to us. Its also not nubs that get targeted by the likes of us.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#54 - 2013-01-17 14:11:04 UTC
Your still able to gank people, don't see the source of tears being valid beyond this point.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-01-17 14:11:14 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
You could always get in a thrasher and gank them.


Time, effort, isk/hr, sinking to our level, etc. Big smile


Maybe they're worried they might enjoy it.

:ohdear:
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#56 - 2013-01-17 14:11:51 UTC  |  Edited by: admiral root
Anslo wrote:
You and your kind suggest everyone else is playing the sandbox wrong everyday. Cool


No, the New Order makes it clear to highsec miners that theirs is not the only way, and that if they elect to continue playing the same way we will confiscate their ships and pods. The key here is that the miner makes the choice to continue playing the same way despite the obvious risk.

Now, go back under your bridge.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-01-17 14:12:41 UTC
admiral root wrote:


And if they want to do so in perfect safety there are other games out there. If they want to *attempt* to PvE without being ganked then that's fine.


You are missing the big picture, this is a business and they want people to play here. I think it's too reactionary to say that if griefing pvp is taken out of hisec then EVE becomes insta Runescape or a themepark MMO, that is silly. All I am saying to be clear is that we can keep our cake and eat it too. Let the PVE people play in peace, they will get rich, they will get bored and they will realize they can't take the isk with them if they unsub so they go to null and lowsec. How is this fair? Well they don't get PVP experience by taking the safe road to riches do they? So if you went the hard way to low and null you have an advantage because you rose the hard way, won't be as rich but everyone wins in the end.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#58 - 2013-01-17 14:12:57 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


That's a load of crap. You're basically saying all pvp in highsec is a result of someone wanting to childishly irk someone else. That's a silly statement and you know it. Even if it wasn't though, you haven't provided any reason why doing that shouldn't be mechanically possible, other than saying you don't want it to be.


I think things are out of whack. PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked, you want to go gank them. I want to PVP people like you but you want to hide in hisec hypocritically under the same Concord protection that the PVE people enjoy that you bemoan. I know what you are doing in a hisec belt in your Thrasher but I can't jack you because you are just as safe as the carebears until you decide at your safe leisure to LOLOVERHEATPEWPEWW.
PVP is like spinach, if you are forced to have it when you are young you don't want it when you grow up. Let the PVE people skill up, mine, make isk in peace in hisec and then let them get rich and bored and come to low null and play. You griefers cause your own problem, you turn noobs off to PVP from the start and they just never want to get into PVP.


For a start, I've only been in hisec for the last month or so. For over a year before that I lived exclusively in wormhole space. Stop trying to create a strawman.

Secondly, I'm no more protected by concord than anyone else is in highsec. If you want to kill me you have the exact same capability to do that as I do to kill some miner: War decs, suicide ganks.

Also, while you say that "PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked"... sorry, it doesn't matter if that's what they want. I want my own personal fleet of titans. I want concord to not exist. I want x, y and z. It doesn't matter, we all have to face how the game currently works - for them that includes being open to war decs and suicide ganks.
Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2013-01-17 14:14:07 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Anslo wrote:
No, the New Order makes it clear to highsec miners that theres is not the only way, and that if they elect to continue playing the same way we will confiscate their ships and pods.

Translation: Play our way or we prevent you from playing your way.

[quote]Now, go back under your bridge.

Ladies first Bear

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2013-01-17 14:15:05 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
admiral root wrote:


And if they want to do so in perfect safety there are other games out there. If they want to *attempt* to PvE without being ganked then that's fine.


You are missing the big picture, this is a business and they want people to play here. I think it's too reactionary to say that if griefing pvp is taken out of hisec then EVE becomes insta Runescape or a themepark MMO, that is silly. All I am saying to be clear is that we can keep our cake and eat it too. Let the PVE people play in peace, they will get rich, they will get bored and they will realize they can't take the isk with them if they unsub so they go to null and lowsec. How is this fair? Well they don't get PVP experience by taking the safe road to riches do they? So if you went the hard way to low and null you have an advantage because you rose the hard way, won't be as rich but everyone wins in the end.


Considering we have had these things happening in game for TEN YEARS and we have had nothing but year on year growth I would say the sytem is working just fine.