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Shinzhi Xadi
Doomheim
#301 - 2013-01-17 22:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Shinzhi Xadi
Whitehound wrote:
So what if high-sec becomes a save house and PvP was only possible in low- and null-sec? We get a couple of tears from high-sec PvPers! Pffft...

If it means more revenue for CCP then let's do it.


I agree here, EVE might be 10 years old, but look at their subscriber base compared to WoW, its not even close. Eve has open pvp in 3 of its 4 regions, low sec, null sec, and wormholes. What is the problem of restricting it in 1 of the 4 regions?? It could bring in thousands of new accounts, and anything that brings in new players is a good thing for CCP.

No matter how much pvp'ers, or pve'ers ***** about each other, NONE of us want EVE to fail. We want CCP to be successful, and if cutting pvp out of high sec will do that, then I'm all for it.

Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#302 - 2013-01-17 22:02:02 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

A PLEX is real money.

Edit: Badly phrased. A PLEX is worth real money to CCP and if he stops paying his subscription by PLEXes that's still bad for CCP.


Good luck explaining that to potential investors. Here is my point. If an Uber Rich Player who has been amassing billions since the Bush administration just buys a PLEX with in game money and never pays a real dime he is not as valuable as the new guy who has to sub AND buy a PLEX with real money to get the cool new ship he wants. See here is the catch. People blast Blizzard for this because they went hardcore mainstream. Blizzard figured out that after half a decade anyone who wanted to play wow had done it by then, that is the same with EVE, if you haven't gotten into the "cold harsh scam libertatian utopia" with it's harsh death penalty by now, you probably don't want to. I would like to see the trial to sub ratio as I heard it was abysmal. So now there is the big question, what next? I don't pretend to have the answer but like I said, by after 10 years you either are into the "cold, harsh yadda, yadda" or not. Now what to do with those that are not? I think it is a mistake to bet the farm on the old vets as well, the republican party doubled down on the "old timers" and their pep rallies look like a nursing home fire drill. You need young blood to survive and grow.

oh god what is this even
Winchester Steele
#303 - 2013-01-17 22:02:49 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

A PLEX is real money.

Edit: Badly phrased. A PLEX is worth real money to CCP and if he stops paying his subscription by PLEXes that's still bad for CCP.


Good luck explaining that to potential investors. Here is my point. If an Uber Rich Player who has been amassing billions since the Bush administration just buys a PLEX with in game money and never pays a real dime he is not as valuable as the new guy who has to sub AND buy a PLEX with real money to get the cool new ship he wants. See here is the catch. People blast Blizzard for this because they went hardcore mainstream. Blizzard figured out that after half a decade anyone who wanted to play wow had done it by then, that is the same with EVE, if you haven't gotten into the "cold harsh scam libertatian utopia" with it's harsh death penalty by now, you probably don't want to. I would like to see the trial to sub ratio as I heard it was abysmal. So now there is the big question, what next? I don't pretend to have the answer but like I said, by after 10 years you either are into the "cold, harsh yadda, yadda" or not. Now what to do with those that are not? I think it is a mistake to bet the farm on the old vets as well, the republican party doubled down on the "old timers" and their pep rallies look like a nursing home fire drill. You need young blood to survive and grow.


God. You win the award for "most incorrect eve-o shiptoaster of the week". Every single PLEX, regardless of who activates it is 20.00 USD in CCP's bank account. Do you get that? The PLEXers, as much as you clearly hate them, are even MORE valuable than monthly subs as they pay approximately 4$ more per month than you do.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#304 - 2013-01-17 22:04:43 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


Do you have any proof that the market has changed, and that EVE will die if it doesn't turn itself into a WoW clone? Anything at all? No?


..... Drivel......

.5-1.0 = NO PVP

.4 and below, welcome to the jungle.

Fixed.



Ugh. There are no words to describe how reprehensible and non-sandbox like this idea is. You are bad, and you should feel bad.
In one fell swoop you just killed Eve, congrats. Thank ******* God you dont make the decisions around here.

Burke has been in Eve for almost a whole month now. He is like a 3 year old who made a mess in his pants; right or wrong is really irrelevant as long as people pay attention to him.

On the bright side I think we have found a game for him; there's "Hearth and Home" or Minecraft. both sound suitable.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#305 - 2013-01-17 22:06:43 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
[quote=Mister S Burke]

God. You win the award for "most incorrect eve-o shiptoaster of the week". Every single PLEX, regardless of who activates it is 20.00 USD in CCP's bank account. Do you get that? The PLEXers, as much as you clearly hate them, are even MORE valuable than monthly subs as they pay approximately 4$ more per month than you do.


You work for Goldman Sachs? You'll have to forgive me as I don't have much of an appetite for exotic financial transactions at the moment.
Shinzhi Xadi
Doomheim
#306 - 2013-01-17 22:06:58 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

A PLEX is real money.

Edit: Badly phrased. A PLEX is worth real money to CCP and if he stops paying his subscription by PLEXes that's still bad for CCP.


Good luck explaining that to potential investors. Here is my point. If an Uber Rich Player who has been amassing billions since the Bush administration just buys a PLEX with in game money and never pays a real dime he is not as valuable as the new guy who has to sub AND buy a PLEX with real money to get the cool new ship he wants. See here is the catch. People blast Blizzard for this because they went hardcore mainstream. Blizzard figured out that after half a decade anyone who wanted to play wow had done it by then, that is the same with EVE, if you haven't gotten into the "cold harsh scam libertatian utopia" with it's harsh death penalty by now, you probably don't want to. I would like to see the trial to sub ratio as I heard it was abysmal. So now there is the big question, what next? I don't pretend to have the answer but like I said, by after 10 years you either are into the "cold, harsh yadda, yadda" or not. Now what to do with those that are not? I think it is a mistake to bet the farm on the old vets as well, the republican party doubled down on the "old timers" and their pep rallies look like a nursing home fire drill. You need young blood to survive and grow.


Good words, agree completely.

Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#307 - 2013-01-17 22:07:28 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
For some of us, it's sandbox over spaceships.
For the horrible among us it's the spaceships over the sandbox.


Problem: We already have sandbox. CCP can't do "more" sandbox; it's an absolute term, like "complete". You can't have "more complete." They can take the sandbox away, change it into something else, I'll grant you that, but what you want already is. Box, sand. Done.

They can, however, do more spaceships. Pertaining to EVE, and not DUST and other games, that's about the only thing they can do.

So while you would very much like to keep the sandbox, "the horrible" are actually giving CCP an answer when they ask themselves "wtf can we do next, anybody with any imagination speak up?", I mean when they have their pre-development meetings.

And THAT is the problem you have.

No.

Changing the core of the game is not the answer. It wasn't the answer for UO, not for SWG, not for EQ2, not for DAoC.

You only need to look at Trion to see how it should be done.
NEW content.

Just because it's a sandbox that doesn't mean you don't make content. And there's plenty CCP can do to attract people who aren't playing, without deviating from what EVE is, a sandbox.

Modular PoS's.
New PvE type content.
And believe it or not, even WiS.

And to be very honest, I do not give a **** if turning EVE into a themepark would attract a million new players (which I do not believe it will).

I do not play EVE because it has space ships. I do not play because it has PvP. I play EVE because it's a SANDBOX. And I am not alone. EVE is the only MMO I've ever payed 2 accounts a year at a time for, and it's everything to do with the sandbox.

Shitting on your playerbase is not ok just because you might make more money.
SoE **** on the SWG players, and Smedley has gone on record himself as saying that more subs is not better than the reputation they got.

Nor would I play a game where the devs **** on their community.
A lot of people will not support a company based there action, regarless of the product they offfer.

I personally think coke is the better soda, but I won't buy coke prodcuts.
Ask people that work for a coke bottler outside the US why.

Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#308 - 2013-01-17 22:09:17 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
[quote=Winchester Steele]He is like a 3 year old who made a mess in his pants; right or wrong is really irrelevant as long as people pay attention to him.

On the bright side I think we have found a game for him; there's "Hearth and Home" or Minecraft. both sound suitable.


That's your second Ad hominem. Don't knock Minecraft either, that's a good game.
Shinzhi Xadi
Doomheim
#309 - 2013-01-17 22:15:21 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:


God. You win the award for "most incorrect eve-o shiptoaster of the week". Every single PLEX, regardless of who activates it is 20.00 USD in CCP's bank account. Do you get that? The PLEXers, as much as you clearly hate them, are even MORE valuable than monthly subs as they pay approximately 4$ more per month than you do.



This is correct, anybody that buys PLEX to fund their eve subscription is paying CCP more than any other type of subscriber. Even if you buy the PLEX with isk, it doesn't matter, somebody else bought that PLEX with real money, and paid more for it than any other monthly fee that CCP charges.

Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
Sejania Tor
Dog Nation
#310 - 2013-01-17 22:17:53 UTC
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
So what if high-sec becomes a save house and PvP was only possible in low- and null-sec? We get a couple of tears from high-sec PvPers! Pffft...

If it means more revenue for CCP then let's do it.


I agree here, EVE might be 10 years old, but look at their subscriber base compared to WoW, its not even close. Eve has open pvp in 3 of its 4 regions, low sec, null sec, and wormholes. What is the problem of restricting it in 1 of the 4 regions?? It could bring in thousands of new accounts, and anything that brings in new players is a good thing for CCP.

No matter how much pvp'ers, or pve'ers ***** about each other, NONE of us want EVE to fail. We want CCP to be successful, and if cutting pvp out of high sec will do that, then I'm all for it.




No, WoW's playerbase has changed over the years from people that cared to whiny little nimrods that cry when something doesn't go their way. It's designed for people that can only handle simple gameplay and can sit and watch Tot's and Tieras for hours.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#311 - 2013-01-17 22:18:29 UTC
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:


God. You win the award for "most incorrect eve-o shiptoaster of the week". Every single PLEX, regardless of who activates it is 20.00 USD in CCP's bank account. Do you get that? The PLEXers, as much as you clearly hate them, are even MORE valuable than monthly subs as they pay approximately 4$ more per month than you do.



This is correct, anybody that buys PLEX to fund their eve subscription is paying CCP more than any other type of subscriber. Even if you buy the PLEX with isk, it doesn't matter, somebody else bought that PLEX with real money, and paid more for it than any other monthly fee that CCP charges.



I am the worst EvE subscriber, 5-6 yearly subs, I am giving CCP the least possible Pirate

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#312 - 2013-01-17 22:20:35 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
[quote=Winchester Steele]He is like a 3 year old who made a mess in his pants; right or wrong is really irrelevant as long as people pay attention to him.

On the bright side I think we have found a game for him; there's "Hearth and Home" or Minecraft. both sound suitable.


That's your second Ad hominem. Don't knock Minecraft either, that's a good game.

I'm not arguing with you Burke. You vomited an opinion into the sand and built a little castle with it. Your opinion is your own, I can't argue that you don't believe it, you obviously do.

I'm not knocking Minecraft. Its kind of funny that I've never played and that I only know you from a few lines of text here. And yet I know the kind of game that you belong in.

I feel pretty smug about that actually.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#313 - 2013-01-17 22:21:40 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
[quote=Shinzhi Xadi]


I am the worst EvE subscriber, 5-6 yearly subs, I am giving CCP the least possible Pirate


No offense but you might need an intervention. Shocked
Whitehound
#314 - 2013-01-17 22:23:25 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
are we to let you people run more than 5 bil in freighters and officer fit your mission ships with impunity?

You already allow players, who sit docked at Jita and who you cannot shoot, to transfer trillions safely.

If players dock up in a station, logout or jump into a theme park then makes what difference?


I have fun spending 18 hours a day transferring the same 10B back and forth between my characters... oh wait, people don't just "transfer" but use that money for trading, and trading involves a winner and 1 loser per each transaction.

Unless you are making a bad trade do you have two winners. One wins ISKs, the other wins items, and both are happy.

But what is your point? If you are saying that someone sitting inside a theme park and someone else sitting outside are both free from winning and losing then you are wrong. I see Jita itself being already some kind of a "finance theme park" of its own and with players playing God in it.

EVE is full of meta-gaming and people will exploit a high-sec theme park one way or the other. It is already being done when high-end minerals out of 0.0 are being sold at Jita and with low-end minerals disappearing into 0.0. You only won't see PvP with spaceships within it, but everything else will still be there and happening.

I see no problem for anyone who can play EVE now to adapt to a future EVE with a possible theme park in it.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Winchester Steele
#315 - 2013-01-17 22:23:30 UTC
Sejania Tor wrote:
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
So what if high-sec becomes a save house and PvP was only possible in low- and null-sec? We get a couple of tears from high-sec PvPers! Pffft...

If it means more revenue for CCP then let's do it.


I agree here, EVE might be 10 years old, but look at their subscriber base compared to WoW, its not even close. Eve has open pvp in 3 of its 4 regions, low sec, null sec, and wormholes. What is the problem of restricting it in 1 of the 4 regions?? It could bring in thousands of new accounts, and anything that brings in new players is a good thing for CCP.

No matter how much pvp'ers, or pve'ers ***** about each other, NONE of us want EVE to fail. We want CCP to be successful, and if cutting pvp out of high sec will do that, then I'm all for it.




No, WoW's playerbase has changed over the years from people that cared to whiny little nimrods that cry when something doesn't go their way. It's designed for people that can only handle simple gameplay and can sit and watch Tot's and Tieras for hours.



My 11 and 13 year old son play WoW. It is a game for children and entirely irrelevant to this discussion. Eve isnt a game for the kiddies, it is a game for when the kiddies go to bed.

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Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#316 - 2013-01-17 22:26:45 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
[quote=Mister S Burke]

I'm not knocking Minecraft. Its kind of funny that I've never played and that I only know you from a few lines of text here. And yet I know the kind of game that you belong in.

I feel pretty smug about that actually.


I've never played it either, but I know it's good. You don't know much. Here are some games I like.

DCS Blackshark (you think you are smart, prove it)
A-10
Silent Hunter
Mount and Blade
Men of War
The ARMA games (finally get to put the army training to use)
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#317 - 2013-01-17 22:26:48 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Good luck explaining that to potential investors.


This, in a nutshell, is why I hope CCP remains fiercely independent, only relying on investment tactically. The mere fact that someone is sitting on a mountain of cash doesn't make them any good at figuring out what works for CCP, or for Blizzard for that matter. That way lies Jovians as lightsaber-wielding, anthropomorphic pandas.

Mister S Burke wrote:
I would like to see the trial to sub ratio as I heard it was abysmal.


The NPE is abysmal, and once people are done with it the frequent question is, "what do I do now?" That's something CCP needs to work on, but it has nothing to do with the game itself being bad. It's a downside to running a heavily social sandbox game.

Mister S Burke wrote:
You need young blood to survive and grow.


Yes! You don't get them by doing the same thing everyone else does. If EVE becomes more like other games out there, everyone will have already played it by the time they create a character. The only difference will be fluff (ships instead of toons, planets instead of mountains). That won't retain anyone.

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I voted in CSM X!
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#318 - 2013-01-17 22:28:11 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:



My 11 and 13 year old son play WoW. It is a game for children and entirely irrelevant to this discussion. Eve isnt a game for the kiddies, it is a game for when the kiddies go to bed.


I agree but EVE players bring it up every 30 seconds.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#319 - 2013-01-17 22:35:13 UTC
everything gets ruined in the end
that's crapitalism
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#320 - 2013-01-17 22:37:11 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:


Yes! You don't get them by doing the same thing everyone else does. If EVE becomes more like other games out there, everyone will have already played it by the time they create a character. The only difference will be fluff (ships instead of toons, planets instead of mountains). That won't retain anyone.


To be clear I am not advocating that, but I do think that the suicide ganking and hulkadeggon stuff in hisec may be doing more harm than good. Some people try to weakly argue about "the economy" but we all know griefing some guy in his miner or blasting an AFK autopiloter is about the lulz and not about the market. I've griefed in game, everyone has, it's all about ruining someones day. I don't pretend to have the answer but I am not sure how much mileage you are going to keep getting by being the "lose you're ass and be made to cry" MMO.