EVE General Discussion

I do not remember any debunking of the percentage value. The number did appear to be pulled out of the air, but no one has come up with a better estimate.

"Solomon noted that they were looking specifically into cases where one corp wardecced another corp, and no losses occurred. Usually this means that a larger more powerful entity has wardecced a smaller entity that wants nothing to do with the conflict and therefore does everything in its power to avoid being caught or killed. Solomon wagered that this was the case in 70-80% of wars.
Solomon: The strong prey on the weak, but the weak aren’t responding, and nobody’s getting particularly fun or nourishing gameplay out of this. Is that a failure?"

The tread has wandered to that comment. If the current war dec mechanic is a failure, then we need to figure out what to replace it with.

Having read the meeting minutes from beginning to end myself, I think I would have noticed and been appalled by a statement like that. So I can only think perhaps you have taken it a little out of context.

I'm sure the Eve devs wouldn't even contemplate something so disturbingly un-Eve-like. Wars have to be non-mutual. Otherwise they are not wars. It's as simple as that.

my thoughts on wardecs is a system with much more granularity, customisation and a higher sense of it being tied into the eve universe. In doing so, wardecs would have much higher costs.

the current war dec system is very simplistic, you declare war, cost is factored in based on active members and duration, thats it.

features id like to see are:
Granularity of space the war declaration is active in (highsec/lowsec - amarr/minmatar/gallente/caldari)
Cost tied to major factions standings, as a multiplier
Levying navy police as limited protection to corps with high faction standings on public grids (gates / stations)
2 tier bribing system:
1st level (least costly) - suspends concord intervention
2nd level (more costly) - suspends faction navy intervention

Any form of tags for standings / sec status should be limited say ( -10.0 to 3.0).


This will mean corps can dis-incentivise themselves from being war dec'd with high faction standings and sec status, and aggressors can lower costs of war decs by limiting fighting to certain areas of space and layers of protection the target group receives.

based on the above mentioned quotes, CCP Solomon is an idiot.

This is the beginning of the end for Eve Onlline. We are currently riding the slippery slope downwards to its eventual demise. Every game does this same exact thing before people start walking away in big numbers.

Eve was a true sandbox game. The players made the rules and handled their problems in-game. More and more developers are interjecting their will into our gaming experience. It started with the upgrades to mining barges and won't stop at the mutual wardec. I quit for 7 months after the ore holds were added because it was clear that CCP was trying to "control" its player base. This, in itself, is what I have a huge problem with.

What was so wrong with can flipping? No one ever got killed unless the other party agreed to fight. It was as mutual as mutual can be? But, people cry and CCP (although they never used to be) are suddenly taking care of their carebears. The carebears that ruin every single MMO they play. They will never stop crying... you can't make them happy.

Eve was my game. True freedom to do what I wanted, fly any ship and know that there were good and bad matchups for me. Now CCP is doing everything they can to ban piracy... the can flipping rules where you not only turn yellow to everyone, but if they steal your can back its OK! Because, somehow the all-knowing space police know exactly who was in the wrong! How stupid.

No carebears can have their cake and eat it too! But wait! They aren't satisfied... lets hear them cry now about "bumping" and wardecs. AWWWWW. Really? And you turds at CCP are actually listening? I had a ton of respect for CCP as a company. They seemed to maintain the integrity of their game at all costs. But about a year ago this all stopped. Something changed in CCP and they decided to go mainstream. They decided to theme park it out as much as possible. How gay is the dueling system? Really... in eve? Never thought I would see the day.

Then, we can talk about ship balancing... or unbalancing I should say. Eve Online had perfect balance. Now it seems that every money (very much like WoW) CCP are going to randomly tip the scales and make something more powerful and something les powerful... ooh yay! Thank you for telling me what to fly and when to fly it! Not only that but almost all ships are WAY too easy to fit, have waaay to many drones and waaay too effective of bonuses. The cool thing about eve was that ships had SERIOUS downsides to them. There are no real downsides anymore. Similar to WoW, every "class" is getting mutilated into a jack of all trades, answer for everything. Stupid.

CCP you are ruining this game. Please fire whoever has been in charge over the past year. It is an absolute joke.

I would counter its also home to a lot of pussified carebears who are killing the game with never ending cries for more nerfs. It used to be HTFU from CCP, now its "Hello, how can I nerf the game for you today?", this must end...

DECAGEDDON!

Have you wardecced a carebear corp today?

Perhaps in words, certainly not historical deeds though, and that's whats at issue.

Those who aren't fanbois see the history of nerfs in recent releases as actions taken by CCP to nerf hisec. Be it exhumer buffs, nerfing can flipping with global suspect flags, increased wardec costs and war defenders having unlimited allies, its clear to me nerfing hisec for more carebear subs is the reality, HTFU no longer being the guiding principle...

There is one simple litmus test to apply to any upcoming or proposed wardec changes IMHO, do said changes make it easier or harder to initiate non-consensual pvp?

Until then my quest to educate carebears on what makes EVE special continues.

Join me! wardec a carebear corp today!

Increase insurance for the wardec'd corp when blown up by the aggressors?
Or, a way for the corp to buy a blanket insurance for the same?

(Probably a stupid idea)

I quite enjoy hiring mercs to kill miners :) I'll probably stop playing if you can't wardeck and make someone cry..

I agree with everything you said except point number 2.

For an example:

We dec ivy league weekly so they would be more than willing to pay lets say 3 billion a week to disallow our dec. This would be the same for major alliances that get decced by lets say freight club. They see the dec, they pay the astronomical number, then they are immune.

CCP has been doing a great job with the ship re-balances lately which are mostly for PVP players. Once last year they had an expansion for mining barges but other than that everything is war based. Why do all these changes for war and then make people immune to it?

As most things go in life the 2% that are unhappy with things are the most vocal.


I really like your #3 in the sense that the deccing corp can potentially make money from it and the person thats decced can get out of the war quickly. With the recent dec changes repeated decs on that entity wont be possible.