EVE General Discussion

It's a player in highsec making really really low risk income.

Player driven economy.

They do not HAVE to buy things from the market. I don't have to log in or undock. It all evens out.


I'd just like to note one thing. Never have I said that you should not be able to war dec anyone. I'll I've said is that my corp has standing orders that when we are war decced, we don't undock. I do not understand how this system benefits anyone.

2.4 billion a month is just what it costs to PLEX my 4 accounts. I can easily pull in more than 4 billion a month.

With 3 hulks and an orca, I can fill the orca with 30 million ISK of ore in about 20 mins. 2-3 hours a day, 4-5 days a week = 4 billion a month.

Might be why the playerbase is low.

Yea I'm not a big fan of people leaving, but at the same time I'd rather see the game have people who want to play Eve, not use Eve as a catalyst to play whatever game they came from =(

Thanks for starting this thread and for all the contributions thus far. The range of opinions here echoes the sentiment that the war declaration mechanic is a complicated subject that often polarizes the opinions of those who care about it. This session was one of the most heated debates I took part in during the whole summit.

Firstly, let me state clearly that there are no plans to change the war declaration mechanic into a system that caters to mutual high sec pvp only.

Secondly, the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).

I often think back to my experiences in Ultima Online when discussing the war dec system. Removing it's teeth would be akin to introducing the Trammel/Felucca divide, for those that remember it.

However, I expressed an opposing opinion during the discussion because I felt that (with the exception of Trebor) the voice of the CSM was one sided in favour of the "sharks" and I wanted the opposing argument to have a voice in the room, I feel it's important. I expect the CSM to be cognizant of and consider the wishes and opinions of all player types in EVE and there are a good many players who don't like being war decced. As a business, we would be fools not to consider the impact this system is having on those customers.

Prior to my first comment, Hans made a fine statement that one of the good parts of the war mechanic is that groups can engage in fights where they can control the numbers involved, a mutual conflict in high security space.

I then posed the question of whether the CSM thought mutual high sec pvp was goal of the system, or was the goal of the system to facilitate one sided wars? Admittedly my devils advocacy is not obvious from the minutes but I was genuinely interested in what they thought was the goal of the system and to judge the extent with which they were considering the wishes of all players that are affected by it.

Part of the reason this system has been so problematic and difficult to balance is because there are so many strong and passionate opinions about what the system should be.

I hope this clears things up, thanks for reading.

-Solomon

However, If I'm right, then duels are no different from what we have now. Fleet up and hope people keep their promises. The only way that the duels become a useful bit of coding is if we at some point remove the ability to have regular combat in hi sec. If you don't plan to remove it, then you've spent time coding this social tool for pretty much no reason. I don't believe you coded it for no reason. pls explain if wrong.

This is a trend that has been going on for some time. In order to be a belligerent undesirable in highsec you've always needed to jump through some hoops, but they keep adding hoops and they keep getting smaller and smaller.

I mean, let's take can flipping as an example. Apparently having an entire corp able to shoot you wasn't enough? It has to be the entirety of eve?

Or what about the nerfs to the Orca that have made it consistently less and less useful to those living the Suddenly Ninjas lifestyle?

And what have we ever gotten in return?

I could write entire books about the ways in which CCP has taken a look at some of the incredible people doing fantastic work in highsec and decided that they need to be weighed down so they can't jump as high or run as fast.