EVE General Discussion

Corp get wardec, corp disbands and reforms under a new name. Rinse and repeat.

IIRC corp disbanding and jumping like this, was not allowed but they relaxed their stance. But if you know different, I could be wrong.

My bottom line opinion on this.

Unmutal wardecs are the majority and are lame, when as the last time you seen this type of war dec wind up on the front page?

Mutual wardecs are the minority and are the most interesting, generates far more interests, becomes cool stories, winds up on the front page news at times.

Keep wardecs interesting.

What's sad is that CCP is discussing this. I want to take a moment here to reiterate what this game is and what separates Eve from other games. The ability to influence the player base no matter how small or how large depending on the choices and actions you make within the game (logged in) on a single shard (server/realm), whether they be for good, or bad. The seemingly endless amount of paths that can be taken by the player. From missioning to smuggling drugs, from mining to pirating. To have an impact and a voice within this great game. This is not an easy game. This game takes skill and thought. I have heard many a times Eve being dubbed the "smart mans game." -In comparison to other MMOs. If you want easy go play HelloKitty, or WoW. CCP be aware that if you change in favor of nerfing/removing -or whatever you're thinking- high-sec war deccing, now or in the future, you can no longer say "anything can happened [in the sandbox]." Instead you will have to say "some stuff happens [in the sandbox]." It's sad when my RL friends start comparing Eve to WoW. ******* really?

Is that what you mean, or do you really mean:

First off id like to state that im very new to this game still...

My total experience of pvp so far has been getting blown out of the sky in situations where i stood absolutely no chance of winning.
This may be down to my own stupidity as a "noob" player but it still leaves me feeling slightly bitter when i consider people actually taking pleasure from killing someone in their first few weeks.

Example 1 - First week of play: Entering low sec for the first time in my first destroyer whilst traveling to collect from a station (woops.... my own stupidity)
Example 2 - ~2 weeks in: Joined a corp and we got a wardec within my first week with them. I decided I would be fine continuing to run level one security missions in a little frigate because surely nobody would go out of their way to target an obvious noob running level ones...
I was promptly blown up by someone using an ~8 year old character who was solo hunting us (Again probably my own stupidity but at the same time was it really worth it for him?)
Example 3 - ~3-4 weeks in onto a new wardec from a different corp: I decided to go looking for a fight in the hope of finding a 1v1 so i chose a frigate i didnt mind losing and went for a prowl. I actually spotted a lone enemy rifter which ive heard are quite nasty in pvp but decided to chase him anyway. Through a jump gate straight into the mouth of a talos and two other ships. (Dont ask me how I didnt spot them because they just sort of appeared after I decloaked and went for the rifter...)
Now fair enough... I was baited into a trap. A lone frigate flown by a character with around ~1,000,000sp baited into combat with four people.
To me thats a bit low but i guess thats just how it works on eve. Ill get used to it and hopefully outgrow it but i dont think ill be doing that to noobs. Personally i think the rifter should have been the one to kill me, then i might have actually learnt something.

On a whole the corp was taking an absolute beating so after two weeks of barely playing i decided to leave and just play it safe in an npc corp until i have a few million more sp.

Im still too new to the game to say whether or not i think this system is right or wrong but i do know that i wont be joining a player corp again until i can at least hold my own.

Edit. I think stupidity is probably the wrong word... naivety maybe or just plain ignorance :p

1. Your goal would be to remove the POS. If it's not there anymore then your goal has been achieve and you can put your own tower up. Your enemy has in effect surrendered to your demands.
2. If you kill these 4 ships then you win. If they don't undock, how is that any different from the way it is now?
3. Why would such a goal even be an option?

Do you really need me to think for you?

I have a question for you all.

What if there was no way to unanchor a POS or the POS modules. Maybe re-position by re-anchoring, but not being able to remove the module. So the only way to remove a POS and the modules there was to blow them up.

I know this does not 'fix' war decs, but it would offer a bit more incentive to fight and or recruit mercs to defend it if it can't be rolled up and packed away to avoid the war dec.

A lot of dudes have gone through the same thing that you experienced, never quitted and are, today, absolute killing machines. You just were unlucky. I suggest you look for a corp that has people who know how to fight and are good at teaching what they learned through the years. Soloing as a noob is very hard. Most people will not give you a chance, even if you are a noob and alone. Eve`s PvP is extremely complex so you need to do your research on how to fit a PvP ship. Looking for videos on the web that shows how PvP basically works is also not a bad idea. And getting in a good corp can really make a difference when you are a noob.

The keys are: knowledge, practice, persistance...and teamplay. (if you are patient enough...you will find your fun )

EVE released woefully "unfinished" when it released. EVE was no diffeent then 99% of all the other indipendent MMO's. It was buggy, incomplete, and not very good. Thankfully enough people were willing to stick with CCP in the begging, and it's the only reason EVE is here a decade later.

People keep making excuses for things based on what was there in the beginning.
EVE and Anarchy Online were two of the worst releaed MMO's of the past. Things like the lack of a wardec system, concord, high sec gate camps were not a result of intended design decisions, they wre mistaks and oversights by a small indipendant studio attempting to make a game that most people today consider to be beyond the scale of an indipendant developer.

Mortal Online, Xyzon, Darkfall, Face of Mankind, Saga of Ryzom. It's a trend that's continued throught the years in the MMO genre, and will continue well into the future.

Some of you will pick a point, throw it out, and then say "but..", without ever considering -let alone ever mentioning- all of the other things related to that point.

No wardec had nothing to do with anything other than EVE was mess of an incomplete game upon it's release, that's all.

The EVE we have today is a vastly better game because they had enough fans stick around to allow them to get to this point.


And some of you think CCP should **** all over the very people who made it possible for there to be an EVE, for CCP to make a dust, and for them to put WoD in predevelopment.

No MMO ever benefitted from alienating their custormer base. We have numerous examples, and still some of you think it would be fine for them to do so. There is such a thing as a bad customer, and some of you are simply bad customers.

I smell CCP damage control II.