EVE General Discussion

[breaking the 4th wall]

This game so much is about the individual achievements,
but most individuals lack any will to reach *actual* achievements.

I am totally discarding small things everybody can do, like being +5 or -10.
I'm also discarding things like reaching the first billion isk or building up a POS.
That's generic crap.

What i'm talking about is the fact that most people don't want to be famous or, at least, well known.

Every other corp seeks members and "plans to go to 0.0" ... why ?
Because that's what CCP has laid out for people to do.
Grow and move to the lawless land, as if it meant anything.

What happens to these corps ? Nothing. They might grow, they might move to 0.0,
but they'll vanish into unknowingness just like 99% of all the people out there.
Except, of course, the headline makers like the GOONS, TEST, PL, etc.

Although nice, that simply isn't good enough. In other MMOs, people level up because of
the (fake) feeling of accomplishment. They kill dumb AI and feel awesome because of that.

CCP has the same stupid stuff with missions and agents and creates the same idiots
with fake self esteem believing they are great (until they get blown up by a player),
but what CCP doesn't provide is a way to get known by PEOPLE. To actually accomplish something
that PEOPLE recognize and what makes e-famous.

I don't even think it's possible for CCP to integrate something that makes people WANT to be e-famous.
Otoh, i'm noticing way too many people simply not being interested in being e-famous. There is no incentive
for people to have impact onto the lives of others. They don't want to do it on a grander scale and most ignore
that they are doing it on a smaller scale, every time they undock.

The whole issue bogs down to people wanting to have fun, instead of trying to achieve something bigger.
Of course, i don't blame anybody for playing to have "fun", but it's not mutually exclusive to have fun AND
do hard work and actually achieve something that gets recognized by thousands of other people.

Well ... anyway. These are my *observations* about people, collected since around last april,
when i started doing the "resident outlaw of hek" storyline, which made me semi eve-famous.

Nowhere do i want to make you think that i'm talking about *everybody* out there,
but i have talked to manymanymany people out there over the last 10 months and
that's the information i've gathered. It's saddening me, tbh, because i can't keep going with my storyline,
as i lack people actually interested in playing the game in a way it is very well meant to be played:
On a grand scale, with lots of impact on the lives of others.

Simply adding more crappy content won't cut it in the long run, unless the content is totally
player-driven and puts the player into the actual middle of it ... so he has reason to try and
achieve that he'll get recognized by everybody else.


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Now go **** off, i hate you all.

u dumb ?

u dumb ?

What this game needs, is incentive for people to become known by others.

That's the one thing that EvE has over any other game out there. You can do things that make
you known by hundreds of people and even if it's just eve-fame, it's still more of a goal to have and
more of an achievement than reaching +5 and shooting a million dumb NPCs.

I'm just trying to adress one of the actual selling points of EvE.

The one-universe-aspect, where everybody is involved with everybody else
and where there's actual news to be had, that even makes it to CNN, BBC, etc.
Where on can gain fame, just by being different.

The only problem is ... most people are the same and rather be sheep in this game,
just like they are in real life.

I think the problem is, that you're going on about EVE and the INDIVIDUAL, and that idea that EVE is all about the one guy.

It's not.
It's about groups of individuals. It allows for the lone person to make a name for themselves, but overall EVE is about what we do as groups.

CCP is pretty clear about this.

Can't say I disagree with you.

However, I think the OP is bringing up the way in which CCP will show off awesome new content, and then never do anything with that content.

No so much anything to do with the players.