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CCP: Making a better tomorrow, tomorrow. ...starting tomorrow.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#1 - 2013-01-17 00:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
So, pretty much everything that CCP talked about happening in 2013 last year, took feedback on, etc... isn't coming until after 2013 now. I'm bringing this up because it was two years of this kind of 'general idea of what we want to do in a few years but no actual plans now' that lead to the years preceding Incarna. Let me show you what I mean by that and you tell me if you agree.


  • Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.
  • So, at some point in the future, we're apparently going to get establishments, right? Sure. And maybe the Jove will be playable. How old do you think the concept of WiS is? Check out this devblog from 2006. Over six years ago... still no good delivery.
    EDIT: TO BE CLEAR - I'm psudo-quoting from dev interviews from when incarna was being developed. That was the line they sold and the implication I was angling at was despite the fact that CCP believed that WiS was critical they still didn't deliver. Apparently that wasn't clear in the OP.

  • Well... the NEXT one will be like Apocrypha!
  • They've been pretty much saying that ever since Apocrypha. Looks like that's still the case... given the CSM minutes.

  • I have an idea! Modular POSs!
  • Yah. 2006 is on the bananaphone again, and they want their modular POS's and ambulation prototypes back.

Now to be fair... Retribution is up there as one of the best expansions to date because it fixed a lot of broken stuff. To be fair to previous expansions though, it could have just as easily been an after-expansion patch to Apocrypha or Trinity. The teory I'm reading on the forums is that all this great new stuff will be revealed a month before the next expansion at fanfest. I wonder what is really going to be in it? Re-balancing? That's not an expansion. That's a line in the patch notes. I'm not sure if I'm just having a bittervet day or if I'm genuinely getting pi****... was kind of looking forward to POSs. Now I feel like an idiot because I thought that was going to happen.

Do you think we can count on anything coming up, or do you think CCP is going to just ditch their bold talk of an expansion that's 1.5x what Apocrypha was (CCP having said 'well we did Apocrypha in just 4 months and we have six now at the CSM meeting) for quick fixes and re-balancing this year?

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-01-17 01:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Gogela wrote:
  • Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.

  • I think DUST is far more critical to the future of EVE than anything because if it fails, there probably won't be any WIS for a looooong time (if ever) given all the cash that has gone into it been gambled on it.

    There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

    Some Rando
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #3 - 2013-01-17 01:10:43 UTC
    A better tomorrow

    CCP has no sense of humour.

    Some Rando
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #4 - 2013-01-17 01:13:46 UTC
    Also, I trust CCP to make the next few expansion cycles awesome. They've kept their eyes on the ball, for the most part, during the last few. The first expansion I experienced was Incarna; anything is better than that garbage.

    CCP has no sense of humour.

    Romvex
    TURN LEFT
    #5 - 2013-01-17 01:15:42 UTC
    I still fail to see how WIS is "critical to the future of eve"What?
    Katie Frost
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #6 - 2013-01-17 01:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Katie Frost
    In a constantly evolving game like EvE and with a growing and developing community, I don't think that anybody would take CCPs future projections/plans as anything but a very long term goal/aspiration for the game. There is a reason they trademarked their "soon" comment when asked about timelines for features.

    I think you need to gain an understanding/appreciation of what it takes to keep a game like this updated, maintained and running smoothly, whilst still introducing new content regularly, before your start mouthing off about the candy that you want NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW!
    No More Heroes
    Boomer Humor
    Snuffed Out
    #7 - 2013-01-17 01:20:54 UTC
    Gogela wrote:
    Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.


    Nope. A logical approach to development would be to fix existing systems first before adding new ones. Cruiser buffs are good, not too happy with the BC stuff, Tiericide is meh, 0.0 needs a cohesive vision/direction.

    .

    Jacob Rider
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #8 - 2013-01-17 01:21:12 UTC
    Romvex wrote:
    I still fail to see how WIS is "critical to the future of eve"What?

    This. I just don't see the appeal of turning EVE Online into The Sims in Space.

    I hope they keep their focus on FiS. Maybe a minimal amount of time on further Dust integration. But mostly FiS.
    Prince Mammon
    24th Imperial Crusade
    Amarr Empire
    #9 - 2013-01-17 01:27:55 UTC
    CCP's plans for the future:

    Add new features hundrerds can't use because the disconnect every five minutes due to "socket closed".

    Waste time and money on Dust 514 as a free game that most people didn't want in the first place.

    Spend time and money and hype up WIS, then abort the attempt after making one room that noone else can interact with, that most people didn't want in the first place.

    CCP Gargant: "total blanket no-tolerance policy was enacted on accusing the ISD of misbehaving" Who else said there people couldn't be accused of misbehaving? Nothing to see here, move along.

    Kamden Line
    Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
    #10 - 2013-01-17 01:31:45 UTC
    Gogela wrote:
    [ Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.
    So, at some point in the future, we're apparently going to get establishments, right? Sure. And maybe the Jove will be playable. How old do you think the concept of WiS is? Check out this devblog from 2006. Over six years ago... still no good delivery.


    Stopped reading right there. Flying in Space is critical to EVE. Walking in stations is a nice thought - but considering how CCP tried to basically force the player base to swallow Incarna whole, I'm not too eager for a return to this feature.
    Surfin's PlunderBunny
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #11 - 2013-01-17 01:38:28 UTC
    Doc Fury wrote:
    Gogela wrote:
  • Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.

  • I think DUST is far more critical to the future of EVE than anything because if it fails, there probably won't be any WIS for a looooong time (if ever) given all the cash that has gone into it been gambled on it.


    Combine the 2, DUST in stations! Big smile

    "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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    Nair Alderau
    The Blessed Chains of Freedom
    #12 - 2013-01-17 01:45:46 UTC
    I am shedding tears for modular, scalable POSes as well.

    I am holding back with cries of rage until I hear what is actually coming in 2013 - we don't know yet, after all.

    But I am not very hopeful.
    Ludi Burek
    Exit-Strategy
    Unchained Alliance
    #13 - 2013-01-17 01:50:59 UTC
    Romvex wrote:
    I still fail to see how WIS is "critical to the future of eve"What?


    Eve has WiS? Lol
    Romvex
    TURN LEFT
    #14 - 2013-01-17 01:55:06 UTC
    Ludi Burek wrote:
    Romvex wrote:
    I still fail to see how WIS is "critical to the future of eve"What?


    Eve has WiS? Lol

    unfortunately yes...
    HVAC Repairman
    Hedion University
    Amarr Empire
    #15 - 2013-01-17 01:57:14 UTC
    wait, there are people unironically asking for updates or am I too tired to realize im being trolled because its not nice to play with my emotions like that
    Liang Nuren
    No Salvation
    Divine Damnation
    #16 - 2013-01-17 02:02:32 UTC
    Gogela wrote:

    Do you think we can count on anything coming up, or do you think CCP is going to just ditch their bold talk of an expansion that's 1.5x what Apocrypha was (CCP having said 'well we did Apocrypha in just 4 months and we have six now at the CSM meeting) for quick fixes and re-balancing this year?


    This is why CCP should just release expansions and patches without even notifying the player base of what's coming.

    -Liang

    I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

    Alavaria Fera
    GoonWaffe
    #17 - 2013-01-17 02:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
    Kamden Line wrote:
    Gogela wrote:
    [ Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.
    So, at some point in the future, we're apparently going to get establishments, right? Sure. And maybe the Jove will be playable. How old do you think the concept of WiS is? Check out this devblog from 2006. Over six years ago... still no good delivery.

    Stopped reading right there. Flying in Space is critical to EVE. Walking in stations is a nice thought - but considering how CCP tried to basically force the player base to swallow Incarna whole, I'm not too eager for a return to this feature.

    Sometimes, they just won't swallow what you try to force down their throat.

    <3

    Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

    Kamden Line
    Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
    #18 - 2013-01-17 02:27:05 UTC
    Alavaria Fera wrote:
    Kamden Line wrote:
    Gogela wrote:
    [ Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.
    So, at some point in the future, we're apparently going to get establishments, right? Sure. And maybe the Jove will be playable. How old do you think the concept of WiS is? Check out this devblog from 2006. Over six years ago... still no good delivery.

    Stopped reading right there. Flying in Space is critical to EVE. Walking in stations is a nice thought - but considering how CCP tried to basically force the player base to swallow Incarna whole, I'm not too eager for a return to this feature.

    Sometimes, they just won't swallow what you try to force down their throat.

    <3


    Incarna made bittervets of us all.
    Surfin's PlunderBunny
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #19 - 2013-01-17 02:31:27 UTC
    Alavaria Fera wrote:
    Kamden Line wrote:
    Gogela wrote:
    [ Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.
    So, at some point in the future, we're apparently going to get establishments, right? Sure. And maybe the Jove will be playable. How old do you think the concept of WiS is? Check out this devblog from 2006. Over six years ago... still no good delivery.

    Stopped reading right there. Flying in Space is critical to EVE. Walking in stations is a nice thought - but considering how CCP tried to basically force the player base to swallow Incarna whole, I'm not too eager for a return to this feature.

    Sometimes, they just won't swallow what you try to force down their throat.

    <3


    Pineapple juice helps

    "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

    Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

    Kathern Aurilen
    #20 - 2013-01-17 02:51:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
    Gogela wrote:

    • Walking in stations is critical to the future of EvE.
    • So, at some point in the future, we're apparently going to get establishments, right? Sure. And maybe the Jove will be playable. How old do you think the concept of WiS is? Check out this devblog from 2006. Over six years ago... still no good delivery.
    I don't see WIS as something NECESSARY.... it would be a neat feature, but feasibility it a lil wanky. We play eve and are spread over thousands and thousands of stations there isnt enough people in stations and when there is what are they doing... either prepping to bounce out or AFK safe just being parked in station.

    What are they gonna do under something like that? No matter what station(maybe for the region???) they just all share the same station like we were all just sitting in Jita together?? Then what do we do in station? Play some sort of second life mini games or gamble for isk(I'd like a draw poker room myself).....Or maybe fight for control of stations or districs of stations DUST style.

    Plus why would a lower priority feature like WIS be more of a resource hog that the main game? Look how hard it is to just walk in CQ.. I have to turn it off. I think one eve's main qualities is that it can run on lower end PCs, even with the settings turned low it dosen't even show plus it dosent have to render full environments. When I'm in station, my low setting look very BAD. When It has to start building stations its gonna look like second life set to CLAYMATION and Gumby levels on weak machine and looks like hell. I know my laptop is not a big gaming machine but It plays EVE amazingly, I bet WOW looks like crap on here... I can turn the settings up and it looks amazing and still gets good fps, but it gets hot(u know how laptops get)
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  • I have an idea! Modular POSs!
  • Yah. 2006 is on the bananaphone again, and they want their modular POS's and ambulation prototypes back.

    Now to be fair... Retribution is up there as one of the best expansions to date because it fixed a lot of broken stuff. To be fair to previous expansions though, it could have just as easily been an after-expansion patch to Apocrypha or Trinity. The teory I'm reading on the forums is that all this great new stuff will be revealed a month before the next expansion at fanfest. I wonder what is really going to be in it? Re-balancing? That's not an expansion. That's a line in the patch notes. I'm not sure if I'm just having a bittervet day or if I'm genuinely getting pi****... was kind of looking forward to POSs. Now I feel like an idiot because I thought that was going to happen.
    I'm hoping for new models for the POS(for small medium and large, they just all look the same maybe faction(looking) labs....and bland to tell you the truth). And a better system of placing and positioning the all the bits and maybe some misc(no real purpose bit to highlight structures like the lite signs on npc structures in missions).





    I'm sure there is other stupid things that I can come up with but I took a big enough dump putting this out... I think WIS is a waste... other than some cosmetics and missteps on the last update, I'm currently happy with what came out in the last update.

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