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University of Caille Gallente Federation 2,269
Rek Seven University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,269	#41 - 2013-01-17 12:47:51 UTC ^ Agreed. There is no guarantee that CCP wouldn't completely **** to POS system up if they were to change it at this point. The issues with pos's are mainly and problem for pos mangers anyway. I would rather CCP tweak the system a bit and then concentrate on adding some new content to WH space. The wishlist is pretty much complete...

Frying Doom

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#42 - 2013-01-17 13:20:27 UTC

Rek Seven wrote:

^ Agreed. There is no guarantee that CCP wouldn't completely **** to POS system up if they were to change it at this point. The issues with pos's are mainly and problem for pos mangers anyway.

I would rather CCP tweak the system a bit and then concentrate on adding some new content to WH space.

I would rather have them try to fix POSs that effect so many people rather than have them touch WH space.

If they stuff up POS there are enough people to get them to fix it. They stuff up WH space we are stuck with it.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!


Rek Seven University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,269	#43 - 2013-01-17 14:26:52 UTC Frying Doom wrote: If they stuff up POS there are enough people to get them to fix it. They stuff up WH space we are stuck with it. Come again? The wishlist is pretty much complete...

Matt Ellis

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#44 - 2013-01-17 14:50:17 UTC

Rek Seven wrote:

Frying Doom wrote:

If they stuff up POS there are enough people to get them to fix it. They stuff up WH space we are stuck with it.

Come again?

He means,

"If they mess up POSs, there is enough pressure from other corners of the universe to get it fixed. They mess up WH space, and that number of players to hear gets smaller, making it harder to hear that they made a mess."

Am i on the right lines?

If i'm honest, security needs to be overhauled, and overhauled soon. The hard part is striking a balance between what people WANT and what they don't want. They've been talking about docking mechanics for a while now, which no-body wants, but it could be the only way of getting certain features into the game.


Rek Seven University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,269	#45 - 2013-01-17 15:06:23 UTC 3 Okay that makes sense i guess... But come one guys, do we really want CCP to divert resources to a POS redesign rather than things that are really important to eve players, like Dust 514? The wishlist is pretty much complete...


Matt Ellis Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 125	#46 - 2013-01-17 15:07:53 UTC Rek Seven wrote: Okay that makes sense i guess... But come one guys, do we really want CCP to divert resources to a POS redesign rather than things that are really important to eve players, like Dust 514? Just checking my sarcasm detector here. Seems to be throwing off some unusual readings...

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 139
WInter Borne Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 139	#47 - 2013-01-17 15:26:19 UTC Rek Seven wrote: Okay that makes sense i guess... But come one guys, do we really want CCP to divert resources to a POS redesign rather than things that are really important to eve players, like Dust 514? You're absolutely correct. CCP MUST fix the current iteration of PVE missions. They are just crippling the game's potential!

Nezmor's Golden Griffins 267
Cynthia Nezmor Nezmor's Golden Griffins Likes received: 267	#48 - 2013-01-18 07:47:42 UTC 1 POSes do not affect my gameplay in practically any way or form. I have 6 accounts. Small, singular aspect. Loud minority on forums is not representative.

Axloth Okiah

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#49 - 2013-01-18 08:21:45 UTC

Cynthia Nezmor wrote:

POSes do not affect my gameplay in practically any way or form. I have 6 accounts.

Small, singular aspect.

Loud minority on forums is not representative.

I'm sorry, but I believe you have mistaken this subforum with "Warfare & Tactics".
Please allow me to guide you back: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=249

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Frying Doom

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#50 - 2013-01-18 11:37:53 UTC

Matt Ellis wrote:

Rek Seven wrote:

Frying Doom wrote:

If they stuff up POS there are enough people to get them to fix it. They stuff up WH space we are stuck with it.

Come again?

Absolutely on the money, WHs are not a large enough population to waste resources on if they stuff things up. Look at Null sec they made a huge mistake with the sov system but the population is only high enough for them to throw band aids on and that is 3 times the population of wormholes.

If they change wormholes and make a mistake, we will be stuck with it for the next 10 years.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Very Professional Corporation 142
Random Woman Very Professional Corporation Likes received: 142	#51 - 2013-01-18 11:56:43 UTC It's not like Nullsec is full of ppl, 90% of all NS entries I go out are empty systems, well or empty 5 minutes later as everyone docks up and logs of because of "zomg neuts".

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 217

#52 - 2013-01-18 15:50:21 UTC

Cynthia Nezmor wrote:

POSes do not affect my gameplay in practically any way or form. I have 6 accounts.

Small, singular aspect.

Loud minority on forums is not representative.

There's a large, silent majority of HS industrial people out there, didn't you think of that? I'm sure they'd quite appreciate improvements to POSes (and corp roles/... since the two are so entangled that it isn't funny).

Glathull

Warlock Assassins

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#53 - 2013-01-22 07:50:38 UTC

It's lose-lose for everyone including CCP. Fix poses the way the null-bears want, and it's station games for everyone everywhere--most especially in WH. Go the other way and it's a bunch of whiney "FIX POSES" shiptoasting from allBears.

My guess is that CCP is putting it off until they come up with something better than either side has come up with.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Barrogh Habalu

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#54 - 2013-01-22 09:49:48 UTC

Glathull wrote:

And here I thought that "fix POSes" and "allow us to dock there" are two completely different things.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become

Bugsy VanHalen

Society of lost Souls

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#55 - 2013-01-22 18:07:09 UTC

I for one read the entire 113 pages. Although they did say they would not devote an entire expansion to a POS revamp, they did not say the revamp would not be done.

The impression I got was that the POS revamp would be done in pieces with a few things fixed each expansion.

There are actually far more advantages to doing it this way. For example;

If they did an entire POS revamp in one expansion what would we actually get? Alot of ides that sounded good often do not end up working out so well once implemented. We would get CCP's idea of what a new POS system should be. This may or may not contain elements we wanted. There is the possibility that this revamp could leave us worse off then before.

However the proposed solution will be to fix POSes a few pieces at a time. Seeing how those changes work out, adjusting them, and adding new things each expansion. If they make a wrong move along the way we can respond to it before it gets out of hand. It may take several expansions, but we will get our revamped POSes, and will have more imput into the end result than we would have if it was all done at once.

I see this as a win win for everyone.

StarHunt Mordus Angels 381
Carniflex StarHunt Mordus Angels Likes received: 381	#56 - 2013-01-24 14:07:50 UTC Now where did I put that stick - and wheres my dead horse I been spanking since around 2007 if my memory serves me right. I'm sure someone has the original thread bookmarked. Dissappointing to be frank. All that talk about "enabling the enablers" and then that. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.