Intergalactic Summit

You can't even prove to me your god is real, can you?

When mankind lived in caves and gathered around a meager fire they would stay warm and cook their meal. Some of them could have even worshipped this fire and how could I blame them for being so primitive? When it becomes day outside, Man would step out from his cave into the bright daylight making the nocturnal predators disappear and illuminating the world before him. Could I blame him for worshipping the sun? Of course not.

Those men in their primitiveness would be able to prove me that the Sun and the fire are real, I'd understand why they would revere them and how the Sun and fire service mankind.

None here so far have accomplished 1 through 3.

Mrs. Mekhana,

Its not really fair to judge an entire race on the ideas of a single man or group now is it? Believers may be unified with a common faith, but interpretations vary as with any religion. Should my people, for instance, believe that all Gallente are evil because Admiral Noir carried out one of the most heinous acts of terrorism against the Caldari people in history?

Jamyl Sarum freed hundreds of millions of slaves and the Amarr Empire has forsworn against taking new slaves, the Amarr Empire, to the displeasure of some of the more traditional sects of Amarr, is progressively moving forward bit by bit. Are you content to judge them on what you deem are past transgressions?

The real question should be are the slaves of the Ninth Generation better off for it? what has their freedom brought them? Currently the Republic hasn't enough space for them, those who still adhere to Amarr are met with violence and the Republic's economy is worse than the pre-Heth Caldari State with jobless and poverty rates soaring. More Matari live within the Empire and Gallente Federation combined than they do within the Minmatar Republic, and with good reason.

Hypothetically, if the Amarrian Empire were to free every slave in the Empire who do you think will be more harmed by it? The Juggernaut that is the Amarrian Economy with trillions of people to pick up where millions of slaves left off? or will it be the millions of slaves who now have no money, no homes, no jobs skills other than their slave experience and no real option for the future that doesn't involve throwing themselves at the mercy of another type of slavery (the Market)?

The Amarr Empire has proven its capable of such feats as freeing slaves by the hundred of millions and not missing a beat. The new freeman have proven that life outside the Amarrian Empire can be extraordinary for some but by in large is a harsher version of the slavery they once knew. A slave family is guaranteed a place to live, a supportive community of fellow Minmatar, state funded education, food and work and then when the time comes the very real possibility of being able to leave their compounds to pursue a life outside of the slavery.

You can call it primitive, vile and evil, but I've seen plenty of far worse things in my travels than a good a Holder.

Respectfully,

Simon Louvaki

Mr Kithrus,

Science doesn't claim to be flawless or perfect. It doesn't claim to be the answer of all life's problems. Science is not a convenient and magical answer I can just pull out of my sleeve. Besides part of Science is finding answers and making questions while religion has the same answer to all the questions you can make.

This is why you apologists of religion all sound the same.

Please pardon my brief absence Ms. Mekhana. I've been attending to some more important issues, say, the reclaiming of The Bleak Lands. I'm sure you're tickled with that. As far as what I do and do not know, I know men. I know the evil that lurks within those who would stand against God. About these "free men", no man can stand against the will of God.

As for your day...well, read between the lines.

If they will not be able to discuss this topic reasonably until they have matured more, why are you having this discussion?

You are grasping for any argument that sounds good to your ear and gives you a feeling of superiority over your opponent, ma'am. The situation is far more complex than you credit it.

Be calm, ma'am. Time is your ally. Cool reason and study will aid your debate, not needless slander.

Mrs. Mekhana,

I understand your criticisms just fine.

The issue remains however that you refuse to see them as they are, rather than what you want them to be. Slavery and Religion go hand in hand in Amarr, your lack of understanding of these two prevent you from grasping any understanding of Amarr, good and bad, because you already have decided that these things are inherently bad. It won't do anyone any good to try and prove their not though, because you've blocked your mind from accepting the possibility that religion and slavery are actually capable of producing something good. I can point to the contrary.

In the end, one should always be aware of the plank in their eye before pointing out the speck in anothers.

Thank you for the discussion, this will be last word on the matter.

Respectfully,

Simon Louvaki

Oh yeah? Prove it, then.

And when someone is born in the Empire, raised in the Empire, grows up in the Empire, and all their friends & family are in the Empire... guess where his home is?

Yet still there will always be some brainwashed idiot out there who thinks that kidnapping them & dragging them off to a refugee camp sixty light years away because someone in their family from six centuries ago was from there is somehow "bringing them home."

And those same fools will always refuse to believe that any of them would want to ever go back to their real homes and their real families. It should also come as zero surprise that these are the same fools who think that anyone with Matari heritage is automatically a slave and remains so to this day, thus justifying their kidnapping from their homes & forced relocation into the Republic workforce and/or military.

I know all of these things all too well.

Ignoring the idiotic arguments about God existing or not (since He clearly does), I can comment about the Mandate's views on this "liberation" of slaves.

We do not have a full inventory of the slaves who were freed as, obviously, Electus Matari, Freedom Extension, and the Minmatar Republic did not provide the Mandate with a convenient list of stolen goods. However, it is the opinion of the Mandate that these slaves were, in fact, illegally obtained by Electus Matari and then transported against interstellar trade law by Freedom Extension into the Minmatar Republic where they were subsequently torn from their proper bondage.

Because the vast majority of these slaves were obtained over the course of numerous years, it is nearly impossible for us to properly track and identify who was transported, who the slaves legally belong to, and what sort of legal compensation would be mandated to their owners.

We believe the majority of these slaves were stolen after terrorist activities taken against Amarr and Ammatar forces, though we cannot also rule out the possibility they were recovered from Sansha's Nation or the Blood Raiders and then failed to be returned to their proper owners. It is within the realm of possibility they were purchased on the open market from authorized sellers (the moral justness of whom I will not get in to at this time), but we consider that to be a very very slim possibility not fitting the modus operandi of Electus Matari and other similar terrorist organizations.

We have filed an official complaint with CONCORD and the Secure Commerce Commission about this incident, but have been informed that without proper proof that the slaves were illegally obtained, there is nothing they are willing to do. And, unfortunately, providing them with a list of all slaves which have gone missing over the past decade is not a sufficient proof of illegality.

Yeah, you're an idiot.