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Plurimus Libertas

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#21 - 2013-01-17 16:22:22 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
In a daring covert operation the Minmatar Republic liberated over million slaves from Ammatar space.
May many more be freed from bondage.


What is to become of these million freed slaves? Are you providing job placement and integration service? With all do respect, I've seen the Scope Reports on the Matari-Ammatar border and the living conditions in the already over crowded freedman camps are far from acceptable. Are they being sent to the Republic or the Federation? Details sir, would be much appreciated in a press release such as this so that the rest of New Eden knows your not simply taking those newly 'freed' slaves out of the fryer and into the fire.

Joblessness and Crime runs rampant in the Republic and it wasn't too long ago that the Angel Cartel held more sway over the local populace than the Republic Government did. I hope your organization is taking every step to insure that these people receive top of the line training that will make them relevant to today's industry or I'm afraid all your doing is taking them from physical slavery to economic slavery.

Respectfully,

Simon Louvaki

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#22 - 2013-01-17 18:01:02 UTC
If there are problems providing these people jobs, housing or care, let me know. I can hire and train a certain amount for my offices and storage hangars in Gulfonodi and my planned State locations, somewhere within the next couple of weeks. They will of course have to adjust to State standards when in the State. The Gulfonodi office will also work by State standards of course, but when off duty the local regulations and laws apply.

Just dumping your "loot" in even more overcrowded slums wouldn't really solve any situations. If need be, I'll even allow the employment contracts to have a "return to Republic Space" clause for when they're trained and self-sufficient.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#23 - 2013-01-17 18:10:49 UTC
If any of your rescuees turn out to be trouble makers, dissidents, anti-social, or otherwise broken mentally, socially, or physically, TS-F will gladly take them in, fix them up, provide them with a purpose and with the tools necessary to make the most out of themselves.
Lyrah Okkus
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-01-17 18:33:01 UTC
Myself and my family was kidnapped in such a raid. The refugee camps are little better than a prison without bars and a re-education camp. Shows of religious faith in God was harshly punished as a sign of some "invasion", but it was the Matar who were the invaders. There was no shortage of the faithful there, though. The experience is a gift of burden and a test of faith, and a lot of my fellow prisoners just couldn't pass that test. That doesn't mean that they were happy and anxious to be kidnapped, it just means that they were human, and would rather praise whatever rude god is put in front of them in return for safety. I consider myself blessed to have found my way back to civilization from there.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#25 - 2013-01-17 18:37:39 UTC
Lyrah Okkus wrote:
Myself and my family was kidnapped in such a raid. The refugee camps are little better than a prison without bars and a re-education camp. Shows of religious faith in God was harshly punished as a sign of some "invasion", but it was the Matar who were the invaders. There was no shortage of the faithful there, though. The experience is a gift of burden and a test of faith, and a lot of my fellow prisoners just couldn't pass that test. That doesn't mean that they were happy and anxious to be kidnapped, it just means that they were human, and would rather praise whatever rude god is put in front of them in return for safety. I consider myself blessed to have found my way back to civilization from there.


And everyone should remember that this anecdotal evidence means that freeing slaves is very very bad! Stop freeing slaves! You monsters! Poor things, how could you, etc.

The above offer stands.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Lyrah Okkus
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-01-17 18:47:00 UTC
I wasn't even a slave. There are plenty of people with Matar blood and features living free as Amarr citizens, thanks to the wisdom of the Reclamation, and terrorists on a smash and grab invasion aren't always careful.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#27 - 2013-01-17 18:49:37 UTC
Totally means everyone needs to stop trying to save what's left of their people.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2013-01-17 18:52:29 UTC
Well, this certainly puts EM's past claims that they don't illegally steal slaves from their owners into context.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#29 - 2013-01-17 19:17:45 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Well, this certainly puts EM's past claims that they don't illegally steal slaves from their owners into context.


The news article says EM simply provided an escort out. The actual logistic operation was by a different corporation. However, this raises an interesting question. What laws governs such things? Amarrian laws? Republic laws? When the people are liberated, which law holds sway?

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#30 - 2013-01-17 19:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mensha Khael Crow
This is the beginning of the same song dance again.

The heathens either understand what they have done and lie of it or are in need of a lesson. I believe the end result should be quite similar on Imperial policies.

Let us hope Ammatar mandate and Khanid Kingdom will now offcially join the militias conflict.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#31 - 2013-01-17 19:27:41 UTC
The Sengokuvaa Corporation would like to echo Mrs. Otsito offer as well.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2013-01-17 20:29:01 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.

Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ?



What? What do you mean? You're siding with extremists like Crow now, Farel?


Not really, why ?

Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
This is the beginning of the same song dance again.

The heathens either understand what they have done and lie of it or are in need of a lesson. I believe the end result should be quite similar on Imperial policies.

Let us hope Ammatar mandate and Khanid Kingdom will now offcially join the militias conflict.


I would rather like to see the Mandate stay out of that nonsensical war and concentrate on more urgent issues.
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#33 - 2013-01-17 20:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mensha Khael Crow
Lyn Farel
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
This is the beginning of the same song dance again.

The heathens either understand what they have done and lie of it or are in need of a lesson. I believe the end result should be quite similar on Imperial policies.

Let us hope Ammatar mandate and Khanid Kingdom will now offcially join the militias conflict.


I would rather like to see the Mandate stay out of that nonsensical war and concentrate on more urgent issues. [/quote wrote:




Legal ability for the Mandate navy to fire upon any TLF vessels that cross the Mandate boundries. Or just declare it will be done regardless but since republic is using it's capsuleer militia to assist in breaching the Mandate sovereignity not taking steps against it would be irresponcible.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-01-17 20:38:01 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Well, this certainly puts EM's past claims that they don't illegally steal slaves from their owners into context.


The news article says EM simply provided an escort out. The actual logistic operation was by a different corporation. However, this raises an interesting question. What laws governs such things? Amarrian laws? Republic laws? When the people are liberated, which law holds sway?


EM aided and abetted illegal activity according to the laws of the region in which they were operating.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2013-01-17 20:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
Lyn Farel
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
This is the beginning of the same song dance again.

The heathens either understand what they have done and lie of it or are in need of a lesson. I believe the end result should be quite similar on Imperial policies.

Let us hope Ammatar mandate and Khanid Kingdom will now offcially join the militias conflict.


I would rather like to see the Mandate stay out of that nonsensical war and concentrate on more urgent issues.
[/quote wrote:




Legal ability for the Mandate navy to fire upon any TLF vessels that cross the Mandate boundries. Or just declare it will be done regardless but since republic is using it's capsuleer militia to assist in breaching the Mandate sovereignity not taking steps against it would be irresponcible.


TLF conventionnal vessels are not allowed to cross the Mandate boundaries. TLF capsuleers are, and they could be denied that access as well and hunted by the Ammatar Fleet, but the culprits here are not part of the TLF and can freely move in Mandate space, or Amarrian space as well. For the matter at hand, entering offensively or just defensively the proxy war is mostly irrelevant for the Mandate at the moment.

However EM are under CONCORD jurisdiction, and I would really like to know if that action was sanctionned under the terms of the proxy war. Which is rather unlikely since the parties involved are not part of any legal entity like the TLF.

Then, the logical question is, what is CONCORD doing ? This is rather disappointing.


Edit : as for the Freedom Extension illegal activities, they should of course be put under a serious inquiry by the Ammatar Consulate.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-01-17 21:33:41 UTC
After complementary information, it appears that I did not take into consideration the possibility for Freedom Extension to only be the transport contractor and a capsuleer the actual owner of the slaves.

Could someone bring up a decent source of information to prevent further speculation ?
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-01-17 21:56:22 UTC
The first sign of corruption in a society is that the end justifies the means, and this is a fine example.

I wish to pledge my support to all the victims of this crime. From wherever refugee camp they get dumped into, I will offer safe passage to rejoin their loved ones back home.

von Khan

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#38 - 2013-01-18 05:58:59 UTC
Lyrah Okkus wrote:
I wasn't even a slave. There are plenty of people with Matar blood and features living free as Amarr citizens, thanks to the wisdom of the Reclamation, and terrorists on a smash and grab invasion aren't always careful.


Thank you, for this is something I also know all too well.


Lyrah Okkus wrote:
Myself and my family was kidnapped in such a raid. The refugee camps are little better than a prison without bars and a re-education camp. Shows of religious faith in God was harshly punished as a sign of some "invasion", but it was the Matar who were the invaders. There was no shortage of the faithful there, though. The experience is a gift of burden and a test of faith, and a lot of my fellow prisoners just couldn't pass that test. That doesn't mean that they were happy and anxious to be kidnapped, it just means that they were human, and would rather praise whatever rude god is put in front of them in return for safety. I consider myself blessed to have found my way back to civilization from there.


Our stories almost alike, then. Be grateful you weren't forced into conscription for their "shadow" army.


Simon Louvaki wrote:
What is to become of these million freed slaves? Are you providing job placement and integration service?


See above.

I can only wonder how many people like Lyrah and myself these fools have created in their latest raid. How surprised they will be when those guns that they're handing out get turned back upon them? They're think they're strengthening their little junta, but all they're really doing is setting themselves up for a revolution of the Faithful within their own borders.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#39 - 2013-01-18 06:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Mrs. Luftschreck,

To suit my own conscious, I felt the need to see if they would publicly rebuff what I already knew in heart. I spent a large portion of my young life in the Khanid Kingdom and the Ammatar Mandate; My father being a State diplomat to the Kingdom.

I've met many families who've lived perfectly happy lives as slaves, free of Vitoc and the virtual sink hole that is the Minmatar Republic. I've even seen first hand the tragedy of many of these 'freedom raids'. While I can't approve of slavery, I adhore the violence and destruction caused by many of these 'freedom fighters' who so callously destroy the lives of those they seek to rescue.

To add further clarify on my position: My mother was a lady in waiting for Khanid Royal Family. By extension, she was 'indebted' to the Royal Khanid Family do to her families opposition at home during the initial split from Amarr which upon her ancestors defeat was forced into servitude. She was very much a slave, and I, very much the son of one.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Joantir Sintar
Hannas Deep Space Probing And Exploration
DammFam
#40 - 2013-01-18 09:23:06 UTC
Freedom Extension doing exactly what their name suggests, Our Alliance is ready to help them and EM in any future operations and support those already freed.