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Plurimus Libertas

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-16 19:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
In a daring covert operation the Minmatar Republic liberated over million slaves from Ammatar space.
May many more be freed from bondage.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#2 - 2013-01-16 19:41:54 UTC
Well that was succinct.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-01-16 19:52:54 UTC
I know that in the past, I have criticized people for bloviating, but in this case, some additional detail is warranted.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#4 - 2013-01-16 20:32:02 UTC
The Republic and Electus Matari appear that they wish to escalate the war by conducting this invasion. I can't help but wonder if Her Majesty might rethink our laws regarding taking new slaves from outside of the Empire after this?

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-01-16 21:18:43 UTC
Liberated? You went to their houses and took them, I imagine, which usually is called kidnapping instead of liberating. Those people were born where they are, they had their lifes there: their works, their loved and hated ones, their duties, joys and sufferings. You took that all away in a mere show of force camouflaged as righteousness. But it still is terrorism and human trafficking on a massive scale.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-01-16 21:20:32 UTC
What are people talking about exactly ? Are you refering to something that happened ?
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-16 21:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-01-16 21:32:33 UTC
I hope to see retaliation for this heinous act in the near future.

Retired Captain, PIE Inc.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#9 - 2013-01-16 21:51:53 UTC
They had been waiting for some time. Be calm, Amarrian friends. These were not your brothers and friends. They were your forgotten.
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#10 - 2013-01-16 22:06:33 UTC
Were it not for the souls that will be lost to God, I might toast this occasion. For no longer do liberals have any justification to pay heed to tribal complaints. No longer do the mewling voices of the tribal apologists carry weight in anyones ears. We are beholden to oppose illegal enslaving and current decrees from the Imperial throne make most all enslavement illegal.

The Tribes are testing to see if they will indeed receive as they give to the Faithful. Let us pray we shall see this reflected in Imperial policy sooner rather than later. Unbind our hands, let us focus on the protection of the Faithful and the advancement of Gods commandments. Instead of having to safeguard these heathens from those of our Faith.

It is time for the voices of the Faithful be heard over realpolitik. Let us bring retribution to those who continually raid us and continue to shelter all who break our laws in our sovereignity. Give Amarrian nobility back the rights to enslave these tribal heathens, clear these restictions from our path, declare all tribal areas free for slave taking. Or declare them lost to God and let us measure our grievances from them in ashes.

God, let this be the last spark in the pyre these heathens are building for themselves.
Baron Crow
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#11 - 2013-01-16 23:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Scherezad wrote:
They had been waiting for some time. Be calm, Amarrian friends. These were not your brothers and friends. They were your forgotten.


Unfortunately Scherezad the issue is not only with the slaves lost, but in the political implications of this action. Breeches in sovereignty such as these embolden those who attack Greater Amarria while making those within it feel less secure. The result is more attacks from the outside and a less stable society within our own borders, which instigates more violence, hardens Amarrian ideas on the Minmatar (as demonstrated by Lord Crow over there), and hinders the efforts of reformists who would like to see Matari slaves freed legally.

These short-sighted slave-freeing raids might impress freedom advocates for about a month, but all in all they do nothing to help their cause overall, while they hurt the overall health of the entire cluster. More forces worrying about freeing and defending slaves means less fending off the Blood Raiders, the Angel Cartel and Sansha's Nation, after all.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2013-01-16 23:22:38 UTC
I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.

Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ?
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#13 - 2013-01-17 01:37:45 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.

Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ?



What? What do you mean? You're siding with extremists like Crow now, Farel?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-01-17 01:52:59 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
They had been waiting for some time. Be calm, Amarrian friends. These were not your brothers and friends. They were your forgotten.


If they were forgotten they would not be slaves. Slavery is a position of change, so we can soon call them brothers and friends. They are not forgotten at all, they are expected to join us sometime in the glory of the Empire. It is not the Empire alone they harm by taking them, they harm the slaves they are trying to save. It is quite a sad situation for all involved.

And, of course, the political implications captain Shutaq pointed out are most important. We are already in half-war with the Republic through the militias, if the Minmatarr start crossing borders, taking people, etc... then, things could escalate more.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-01-17 01:54:50 UTC
I am all sorts of giddy about this. Please, please, please go to all out war over this issue. I hope my this time next year one of two outcomes have occurred: the Domain fleet is in orbit around Matar, or the Republic fleet is in orbit around Amarr Prime.

The two sides hopefully realize that this CONCORD enforced peace benefits neither of you. Withdraw from CONCORD (if someone could repeat the whole blowing them up, like before, that would be nice) and slug it out!

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-01-17 01:58:56 UTC
As much as I'd like the Empire to withdraw from CONCORD, wishing for a full fledged war certainly is only in the mind of a deranged person. The amount of death and suffering such an event would again bring can only be wished for by lunatics, so I guess you have left your pod in the middle of combat too often. We may have to go to war for politics, for the wellbeing of our loved ones or the Empire, for the future of slaves... there are many good reasons to go to war, but it shouldn't be desired. It is a duty to fulfill to the best of our capacities, but it's not something to like.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2013-01-17 02:02:14 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.

Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ?



What? What do you mean? You're siding with extremists like Crow now, Farel?


How did you think Moderates would react to a unilateral action designed to escalate the conflict? If you push Moderates to make a decision for one side or another, don't be surprised at their choices.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#18 - 2013-01-17 02:10:09 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
If they were forgotten they would not be slaves. Slavery is a position of change, so we can soon call them brothers and friends. They are not forgotten at all, they are expected to join us sometime in the glory of the Empire. It is not the Empire alone they harm by taking them, they harm the slaves they are trying to save. It is quite a sad situation for all involved.

And, of course, the political implications captain Shutaq pointed out are most important. We are already in half-war with the Republic through the militias, if the Minmatarr start crossing borders, taking people, etc... then, things could escalate more.


Sir;

I do not generally speak lightly on the Summit, and never when the topic concerns the sanctity of life. I am not speaking from a position of ignorance or supposition.

Rest easily, sir. These were not your loved ones, nor your charges. They are your forgotten. Wish them a gentle future and perhaps that you might meet them again in better circumstances.

I make no comment at this time on the implication of this event in regards to the security of the Empire, and wish my allies therein all the best in ensuring their borders are secure and families safe and well.
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#19 - 2013-01-17 04:04:36 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I wonder why I even bothered to emancipate slaves and handle the willing ones to the Republic. This is a rather shallow joke. Better to let you all deal with Lord Crow instead.

Was that achievement sanctionned under the proxy war, by the way ?



What? What do you mean? You're siding with extremists like Crow now, Farel?


Extremists such as I? You mean the kind that will tell you honestly what they think of you? Maybe you mean the kind that will put their personal wants aside for contracts made by their government? Even after they are not legally bound by such contracts?

Perhaps you speak of the extremists who look at these clever little lies you Minmatar craft for your justifications, these little sidesteps you try to convince it really isn't your responcibility wjhat you do. Maybe you speak of those who have given the liberals time to show these people who continue to attack us can be reasoned with?

Or, do you speak of the extremists who will hunt their own for breaking their governments promises to yours? These extremists who in spite of themselves and their personal wants keep inviting you to show that you can be taken on your word. That you can be delt with as rational people?

Oh, how I wish your kind had extremists such as I and those far greater than me. But you do not, do you?

You have plenty who will always demand more: another slave freed, one more system taken and one more church vandalized.
You have plenty of those who will always condemn others: Too many slaves freed, how dare he believe as his family has and yet another extremist calling us on our misdeeds, so mean.

Give me one good reason why this extremist should save one more of your kin in your own sovereignity from any slaver. Since you clearly have too much time in your hands to go breaching our sovereignity.

I have plenty of reasons to oppose illegal slavery. I have plenty of reasons to hunt criminals. I have plenty of reasons to help Faithful secure themselves better. Tell me one reason why any man of Faith should ever extend any aid to your kin?

Crow
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#20 - 2013-01-17 15:41:23 UTC
Well done, Eelectus Matari.

Excellent news.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

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