Market Discussions

Short answer no.

As with the situation where a ship is destroyed when someone buys a plex with real money then sells it there is no real change in the amount of isk in game - the person who sold the plex personally has gained (say) 560 million isk however at the same time the person who bought that plex has lost 560 million.

There is in fact a very minor decrease in total isk in game due to market fees.

Kithran

Confrontation fuels any economy.

CCP should do more to fuel confrontation... I have said this for years now - give the people something to shoot at that will either..

1. Ruin someones day or
2. cause the owner to defend it.

I would like to see an Incursion type areana but with perhaps CCP running these so called live events.

Or perhaps more tounament based areana.... just something to make people want to spend isk.

I have about 5bil in the bank, anything i earn goes into a PVP ship. I personally hate grinding but find incursions a good and enjoyable pass time. I don't think incursions are the reason for increase in PLEX. Its quite possible due to the effect of moon mining. (dont get confused i am talking about moon mining and not the act of reacting).

Role eve back 5 years at a time when small roaming groups were frequent - thats eve at its best and i think the nano nerf stopped a lot of roaming gangs.

Now i use t1 cruisers and destroyers becuase they are cheap and good fun, and with the act of being blobbed its makes taking a more expensive ship out roaming hard to justify.

Perhaps what we need is a different types of fuel for all types of ships and not just capitals..that is an item managed by CCP and not a player based thing or, certain items in game will contain a VAT payment.

You can make a lot of accounts to real life. people will spend money on new items so we need new items - however this may not be as simple as it seems since adding new items means so many different other paths need to be walked.

yes my mate spent 15b on characters & tengus :\ and i called it a faucet, re-read it. "kind of like a faucet" derp.

as in specifically my mate leaking 15b derp.

Great ideas, J-Cing especially not many new players do this. the clones are effected by new players, but as with my example above most new ones i know buy plex. so can probs afford it anyway vOv

If the eve economy needs "rebalancing", and the reason why it is out of sink is becuase of NPC payouts (im interested to know if that includes incursions), then perhaps an analysis needs to be conducted into the activities of how you get an NPC payout.

If we go along the line of skillbooks - we have a lot of different flavoured missiles and ammo, why not create a new skillbook chain for EMP M ammo, a skillbook for Republic Fleet EMP M ammo etc etc. but eventually what you will always get is once someone has bought the item your nautual injection of ISK will return.

Perhaps there needs to be more emphasis on earning LP's and less on ISK in those areas that people regard as "safe areas of eve".

It is NOT a faucet.

Your friend got the 15 Bil from selling PLEX. That isk came from players who bought those PLEX. The isk was not created out of thin air. It was already in the game. it just changed hands. Had he payed CCP and magically had the isk appear in his wallet then it would be an isk faucet. But he did not recieve isk, he received items he sold for isk. That isk was already in the game, just in someone else's wallet. Neither is PLEX an isk sink as when it is used, it is the item removed from the game. The isk just changes hand between the player buying the PLEX and the player selling the PLEX. If the PLEX was converted to AURUM it would be an AURUM faucet, but still not an isk faucet as it does not affect the total amount of isk in game. only whose pocket that isk is in.

Isk sinks and Facets has nothing to do with what character holds the isk. Or how much isk changes hands. It is a change in the total amount of isk in circulation within the in game economy.

A faucet is new isk coming into the game that previously did not exist. for example, bounties when you kill an NPC. or isk payouts for mission rewards. Basically any isk recieved by a player that did not come from another player. that isk is new, not just new to your character, but newly generated in the game. it did not come from another buying goods from you. it was created from nothing.

A sink is existing isk in the game being removed. having to buy a new ship is not an isk sink, as that isk does not leave the game, it goes to who ever you bought the ship off of. When a ship gets destroyed is it an isk sink? No, Why? Even if the total isk value of the items destroyed is greater than the value of the dropped loot plus the insurance payout. It would seem like an isk sink, but really no isk was actually removed from the game.

The minerals used to build that ship and its modules were removed from the game, but no isk. For example a battleship fully fitted is worth say 1 biliion isk. It gets destroyed, it drops 500M worth of loot, and the insurance payout is 200M. The owner of the ship lost 1 billion minus the 200M insurance so 800M. but the value lost was only 300M as 500M worth of loot dropped. The loot dropped belongs to someone else, but its value is still retained in the game. It would seem that this would be a 300M isk sink, but really it was minerals destroyed not isk, minerals mined by someone, and sold for isk. The isk payed for those minerals is still in the game.

Since minerals are constantly regenerated through re-spawning asteroid belts no actual isk was lost. So even though the owner of the ship lost 800M worth of assets, and 300M of assets were destroyed with no compensation, no actual isk was removed from the game as the isk used to purchase the ship and all its fittings went into the hands of another player. Had the ship been bought from an NPC then its total value would have been an isk sink. But since the isk stayed in the game going into the hands of the seller of the ship, no actual isk left the game when the ship was destroyed, so the actual sink is zero.

The only true isk sinks are when isk is given to an NPC. Sure there are often items brought into the game but the isk does not simply change hands it is removed. For example when you buy a skill book for 500M the isk you spent goes to the NPC and is removed from the game. You can then sell that skill book possibly for more than you paid for it, 550M, but that isk is just changing hands. You are left with a net gain of 50M but the 500M you paid is still gone from the game. The 550M you got was just isk changing hands from another player within the game. The game as a whole had a net loss of 500M isk when that skillbook was purchased from the NPC.

Bounties and mission payouts generate isk from nothing, while activities such as running wormhole sites do not generate isk. You may thing, wait, running wormhole sites makes more isk than missions or ratting. How can it not be a faucet? Well, sleepers in wormhole sites do not pay bounties they drop items, those items, such as nano ribbons, are then sold to other players for isk. No new isk is generated, it is just existing isk changing hands. That is the difference. New isk being brought into the game generated from nothing is a faucet, while isk already in the game changing hands between players is not a faucet no matter how much isk changes hands. How much isk goes in and out of your character wallet makes no difference, it is how much isk goes in and out of the game without coming from or going to another player.

tl:dr

re-read it, i called my mate a faucet coz he was spending isk like one

Did you really need to write all that? seriously people need to learn to read. instead of skimming posts for buzzwords then wasting there afternoons

No, I'm a mechanical engineer and I understand this **** perfectly.
This is what happens when a ******* MORON debates with people who actually have a basic understanding of the game.

Don't get mad. All of the tear vacuums are being used in C&P right now.

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